Vodafone takes Telecom to courts over interference of new network

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matt45

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#212442 5-May-2009 11:44

if you want to port your number then dont cancel it with vodafone yet, for other providers to inport a number from another network it must be a connected number on that other network.

Indio

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#212466 5-May-2009 12:31

Thanks for the reminder. I wasn't going to cancel until at least 13th May or thereabouts as I don't want to be without a phone 'til then.

mattwnz

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#212468 5-May-2009 12:40

I still think they are trying to sue the wrong organisation, as telecom appear to have done everything right. They may have some teething problems, but that would be normal when setting up such a network, and that would be considered 'reasonable'. It is the MED and government departments that regulate and police whether or not companies are abiding by their obligations, when setting up and running such a network. Essentially VF is saying that they don't have faith in NZs procedures and legislation.

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#212471 5-May-2009 12:46

Indio: Thanks for the reminder. I wasn't going to cancel until at least 13th May or thereabouts as I don't want to be without a phone 'til then.

*DO NOT* cancel your account if you want to port. If you do your number will be lost and you won't get it back.

Providing you aren't in contract you simply go to the provider you want to port to, give them persmission to port your number, and they'll handle everything including cancelling the account with the old provider.

This applies for both mobile and landline ports.

Indio

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#212474 5-May-2009 12:50

Vodafone is simply engaging in a market-dominant bullying tactic, an accusation levelled at TNZ for a number of years by - among others, ironically!! - Vodafone. Interference is a valid concern, but as you and many others have pointed out, there are appropriate channels through which they can resolve technical issues.
For Vodafone to allow their commercial concerns influence the solvable technicalities of co-existence with WCDMA is a bit on the nose. Telecom couldn't buy the level of publicity the ill-conceived marketing spolier legal action initiated by Vodafone is providing for them.

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#212475 5-May-2009 12:51

Interesting Article on the NBR re Telecom and NZComms settle their spat.

AND NZComms has transmit permissions BETWEEN Telecom and Vodafones frequencies... So to me it sounds more like a NZComms problem with Vodafone rather than Telecom Problem...

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nz-comms-settles-interference-spat-with-telecom-101945

So what's Vodafones problem again.....

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Indio

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#212479 5-May-2009 12:56

sbiddle:
Indio: Thanks for the reminder. I wasn't going to cancel until at least 13th May or thereabouts as I don't want to be without a phone 'til then.

*DO NOT* cancel your account if you want to port. If you do your number will be lost and you won't get it back.

Providing you aren't in contract you simply go to the provider you want to port to, give them persmission to port your number, and they'll handle everything including cancelling the account with the old provider.

This applies for both mobile and landline ports.

Thanks for the tip. I'm not on contract: I'll pop down to the local Telecom store and see whether they can pre-book my port to be activated on or about the 13th May.

JonC

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#212487 5-May-2009 13:15

BarTender: Interesting Article on the NBR re Telecom and NZComms settle their spat.

AND NZComms has transmit permissions BETWEEN Telecom and Vodafones frequencies... So to me it sounds more like a NZComms problem with Vodafone rather than Telecom Problem...

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nz-comms-settles-interference-spat-with-telecom-101945

So what's Vodafones problem again.....

From your article:

Rather, Telecom has agreed to install filters to solve the problem,
says Ms Hillness. NZ Comms expects the filters to be installed, and the
interference problem rectified, by the end of this month.

This is looking more and more like a timing issue. Telecom have moved up their launch date and the interference will continue until the end of the month. Hence VF's injunction to delay the launch.

NZ Comms are obviously not affected because they have no customers.

aperfectcircle

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#212489 5-May-2009 13:17

sbiddle:
Indio: Thanks for the reminder. I wasn't going to cancel until at least 13th May or thereabouts as I don't want to be without a phone 'til then.

*DO NOT* cancel your account if you want to port. If you do your number will be lost and you won't get it back.

Providing you aren't in contract you simply go to the provider you want to port to, give them persmission to port your number, and they'll handle everything including cancelling the account with the old provider.

This applies for both mobile and landline ports.

Hmmm, so what is the process where one is under contract?

steve98

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#212495 5-May-2009 13:24

aperfectcircle:
sbiddle:
Indio: Thanks for the reminder. I wasn't going to cancel until at least 13th May or thereabouts as I don't want to be without a phone 'til then.

*DO NOT* cancel your account if you want to port. If you do your number will be lost and you won't get it back.

Providing you aren't in contract you simply go to the provider you want to port to, give them persmission to port your number, and they'll handle everything including cancelling the account with the old provider.

This applies for both mobile and landline ports.

Hmmm, so what is the process where one is under contract?

Just port-in to your new provider. Old provider will send you a final bill with any cancellation fees.

14464443

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#212520 5-May-2009 14:16

Hmmm, i've only been getting dropped calls on Vodafone for about a week.
Before then it never happened, and Telecoms 3G 850MHz has been live here since December/January.

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#212643 5-May-2009 20:15

My wife's vodafone cell causes funny noises through my speakers when I am trying to listen to music.

I'm going to take out an injunction against vodafone until they agree to install a filter on my stereo to get rid of it.

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#212646 5-May-2009 20:25

marmel: My wife's vodafone cell causes funny noises through my speakers when I am trying to listen to music.

I'm going to sue vodafone until they agree to install a filter on my stereo to get rid of it.

Good move!

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grant_k

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#212648 5-May-2009 20:27

mikman: This is all starting to make sense.
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2. MED are saying its within limits of its license and appears to be below the power floor of the RX band - this suggests that Telecom's argument is that VF have wound up the gain on their Masthead Amps. The Amps are important - they help minimise the number of antennas (through use of cross polarisation antennas and duplexers you can reduce the number of antennas but you take a link budget hit - you need a Masthead amp to compensate. More things in the chain, the more stuff can go wrong)

Increasing the gain could also exacerbate the effects of Intermod. Distortion in the Masthead Amps.

I wonder if this -- the increased gain that Vodafone are allegedly using -- is what Dr. Paul Reynolds was driving at when he stated that:

"This is a problem of Vodafone's own making".

That comment was made during a video clip broadcast on the day this story first broke. It's going to be very interesting what the judge's take is on all of this tomorrow.

mikman: What is clear is that for whatever reason - and I think you can really get rid of the conspiracy ideas - VF has decided that it is unable to resolve this through mediation. If they know that this could be fixed by end of May then an injunction to delay 2 weeks is not a big deal.

Without a doubt, Telecom's decision to advance their launch date has inflamed an already tense situation.

Assuming that the filters can be installed by the end of May, and that they can be proven to resolve the problem, then a 2-week injunction does seem like a common-sense approach.

If this is the outcome, it will be a bit sad for Telecom, but Hey, they have 2 more weeks to capitalise on all the free publicity this has generated, and compared to the life of the XT Mobile Network, 2 weeks is a drop in the bucket!

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#212649 5-May-2009 20:31

I would think if anything if an injunction was caused then it would make Telecom look stupid. To be honest now that VF has gone to court it means whoever loses will look a fool. I'm assuming the MED will be there?

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