Vodafone takes Telecom to courts over interference of new network

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limegreen

103 posts

Master Geek

#213669 9-May-2009 14:53

WTF: Guitar players still seem to love them but I find it hard to see why.

Guitar players love them because of the warmth or distortion they produce when they're run at their limits. They change the waves in a very different way, initially to give a really warm resonant tone, or eventually a really dirty distorted tone. You would not usually use a valve amp to run the PA. The first (well you might have a pre-amp) amplifier in the line is a low-powered valve amp, which you turn right up to the point that you get the level of distortion you're looking for. You then put a mic in front of this amp, and then amplify that distorted sound without using valves. You can get pedals and digital effects that seek to mimic this, but that's classically the way you would want to go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distortion_(music)#Valve_overdrive

Oh, and of course, before people started worrying about their hearing, then rather than using a lower powered valve amp, you'd just run the power amp ragged, ala Angus Young, with a wall of Marshalls turned all the way up.

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Nil Einne

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#213671 9-May-2009 14:58

It does seem a little odd to me that voda rejected mediation just a couple of days before the case (from the herald) "Vodafone spokesman Paul Brislen said it was too late to keep the matter out of court with mediation",

and then proceeded to settle out of court in the end, that has basically the same result as the mediation would have done (i.e. the sensible result).

Because it was too late? Mediation takes time. And there is no guarantee the mediation would have been resolved before the launch, indeed there's no guarantee it would have been resolved at all, it could have easily had no success. Settling out or court got the result Vodafone wanted which was for the issue to be resolved before Telecom's launch.

Nil Einne

469 posts

Ultimate Geek

#213677 9-May-2009 15:27

I think this thread (and others) has shown the fallacy of rushing to judgement. E.g. all the comments about why NZ Communications weren't involved (actually they were but were able to reach an agreement, the fact that they didn't have a in use network means they had much less urgency probably is related to that as is there smaller size).

As for the wider issue, I personally side with Vodafone here. (I admit to prefering Vodafone in general. Both are 'evil' large companies but I don't know if I can ever forgive Telecom for the way they have and continue to screw over NZers over broadband. While both Vodafone and Telecom are screwing NZers over in the mobile arena I can hardly blame either side more for that. However before you dismiss me as a deranged fanboy I am perfectly willing to use Telecom if the have the better option, e..g I regularly use 0161 and since my mobile recently broke I have delayed a decision on a new one partly to see whether there are any good deals from either company soon.)

So while both companies likely have contributed to the inability to reach a decision earlier, I suspect Telecom have the bigger share.

Why? Because it seems unlikely to me that Vodafone would risk a lawsuit if didn't genuinely feel it may be the only way to get what they want. As many commentators have attested to, Vodafone have likely came out worse of here then Telecom. I agree completely, there's IMHO no way this can be seen as anything but Telecom coming out ahead of Vodafone in the PR stakes. And unless the Vodafone people are completely braindead they must have realised this was going to happen. Even if the courts had found in favour of Vodafone, there still would have been a helluva alot of people saying it was simply Vodafone being anti-competitive and taking advantage of minor issues to delay the launch of a competitor. And despite what some people seem to think, the CEOs of any large company does not operate in a petty fashion. They don't launch lawsuits simply to annoy a competitor or because they have nothing else to do. They only do it if they genuinely feel they would get an advantage. And in this battle, delaying the launch by a few weeks or even a few months wasn't going to make a big difference. This is a long term battle and taking such a big PR hit over such a small gain is royally dumb.

Yet from Telecom's POV I can see why it may have made sense. I don't really buy the idea of some they planned it this way. No a large lawsuit like this is just too risky in many ways to gamble on it being a PR win and to set out to achieve. More likely, they were hoping Vodafone would decide a lawsuit was too risky and continue to work with them as they were working before. And they also recognised that worse case scenario, they could likely settle any lawsuit fairly quick at worse delaying the launch perhaps suffering a PR hit while also gaining a fair amount of PR.

P.S. I agree of course Paul Reynolds are next to worthless. This what one would expect from a CEO. Anyone who genuinely thinks a CEO is going to publicly reveal how they feel about something really has no idea how large companies work

n00dy

482 posts

Ultimate Geek

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#213696 9-May-2009 17:24

@ Nil Einne;
Have you read all the transcipts that are in the public domain on this issue, have you read the details from TUANZ and the MED and all the posts in this thread, if you have how can you come to the conclusion you have???

JimmyLizar

321 posts

Ultimate Geek

#213953 10-May-2009 22:39

tonyhughes:
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TinyTim

1041 posts

Uber Geek

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#214065 11-May-2009 11:41

JimmyLizar:
tonyhughes:
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If you read a text from Chuck Norris, you would die.

If Chuck Norris ever bought a cellphone, it would be to take an MMS of your still-beating heart after he rips it out, and to send it to you before you died.

If Chuck Norris was using a cellphone, no cell breathing would occur. He would have killed it first.

Chuck Norris doesn't pay early termination fees. He terminates you early for free.

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brentbart

137 posts

Master Geek
Inactive user

#214102 11-May-2009 13:58

Interesting article IMHO

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/joyce-suggested-telecom-install-filters-3-weeks-vodafone-action-102177

wtf

38 posts

Geek

#214112 11-May-2009 15:01

limegreen:
Guitar players love them because of the warmth or distortion they produce when they're run at their limits. .

Yes but...it is a lot of trouble to go to just to distort the signal. I have built the odd valve amplifier so I have some idea of what is involved. These days we should be able to duplicate any transfer characteristic we want much easier, with a DSP for instance. But of course musicians are not much into double blind tests, so prefer to stick with the old ways. You really have to wonder if a Stradivarius still sounds much like it did when new for instance. But I guess we are drifting a bit far off topic...

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