Telecom Big Time: new Telecom Broadband plans?

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#230883 3-Jul-2009 22:19

ALTRON:
I don't see big time plan available yet on my usage meter/change plan.

Only customers on Go Large or Adventure plans can change to Big Time currently. All others have to wait untill the 7th or so I am informed.

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#230885 3-Jul-2009 22:22

JimmyLizar:
OmniouS: I was on Adventure 20GB $59.95

Same here but it was part of the Total Home package for me.

I am puzzled as to why you could see the Big Time option in the plan chnage form but I couldn't....weird

I don't think TH customers can change plans online, but I could be wrong? Anyway you can call 123 to change your plan.

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#230886 3-Jul-2009 22:25

Ragnor: So I live in Auckland and (almost) never make calls out from my landline to mobiles, national or international numbers which makes toll rates irrelevant to me.

Comparing the pricing of the options:

Homeline + Big Time: $42 + $59 = $101
Total Home Lite + Big Time: $85 + $20 = $105
Total Home: $99 + $10 = $109

Is this correct or can you not get HomeLine without some kind of toll call packaged?

Yep thats correct.

New Telecom Broadband connections also get 1/2 price Broadband AFAIK, but best to confirm with 123 or a Telecom Store while signing up.

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#230889 3-Jul-2009 22:43

On reflection, I may as well wait until I have nearly used all of my monthly 20GB at full speed (datacap resets on 5 July), then change to Big Time.

At least that way I can spend a portion of the month without shaping.

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#230893 3-Jul-2009 23:03

I read on here & on other forums e.g.: GP Forums & PressF1 that with the release of this new plan (Big Time) that its the end of the old Go Large plan, which I am on.

Can anyone from Telecom confirm this???

And if this is the case when will us Go Large users be notified??? & given the option to move to other plans including Big Time?

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#230894 3-Jul-2009 23:05

stu28: I read on here & on other forums e.g.: GP Forums & PressF1 that with the release of this new plan (Big Time) that its the end of the old Go Large plan, which I am on.

Can anyone from Telecom confirm this???

And if this is the case when will us Go Large users be notified??? & given the option to move to other plans including Big Time?

If you read back through this thread, Go Large users get automatically transfered across to the new Big Time plan.

Good news for you because Big Time is not capped on the upload speed, where as Go Large was limited to 128 kbps. I was corrected in a PM that although people, including myself thought that this limits the dl to 4.5 megabits it isn't true on a modern OS.

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#230915 4-Jul-2009 05:31

Very satisfied with the offpeak download performance :P

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#230966 4-Jul-2009 12:45

Talkiet:
Nil Einne:
Talkiet:
garvani: oh no, good bye go large, youve served me well over the last few years :(.. Bigtime looks like a worthy successor though! :).. go large was limited to 3.5mbit down by the way

Incorrect - Go large was not limited to 3.5mbit down, either by profile, or by the nominal 128kbit up. It is perfectly possible to get just over 9mbit out of Go Large with the 128kbit upstream.

Cheers - N

Rather difficult with TCP however.

Also wasn't Go Large before ADSL2 was launched? How could you get 9mbit out of ADSL1? You can't even get 8mbit out of ADSL1 except in the lab

Go Large customers were upgraded to ADSL2+ profiles when they got cabinetised... Personally my Go Large line is currently connected at 15xxx/160...

And yes, I have actually got over 8mbit sustained, and touched 9mbit out of Go Large in the past - using TCP. (Multithreaded FTP download of uncompressed DV file)

Admittedly this was well after midnight, and it's not always that quick - but I've personally never had any issues with my speeds from Go Large.

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Local site? Did you have control over both ends?

However I still stick by comment. I don't deny it's possible, I never did. I just said it's rather difficult and still think it's rather difficult (and perhaps I should have said, in the real world and for the average user under everyday conditions). Unless I can be shown evidence that most people regularly receive or are able to receive if the sites can handle it, 8mbit+ with 128k up even with a diverse number of sites and traffic types over TCP I'll stick by that belief. In reality though, I think it's unlikely, particularly when you add P2P to the mix (and in this modern age, I don't see why not). Sure, it may be possible in some circumstances particularly with low latencies and control over both ends to achieve 8mbit+ but for the real user, I suspect they'd find for most of their every day use, the 128k will limit them to less then 8mbit in much circumstances. Even more so when we can presume in the real world, people will often be doing some transferring other then sending acks. I appreciate this is rather difficult to test since you can't always know where the problem is, although if you do have more then 128k up, just use a good router to limit your connection and you can see it for yourself. (Personally with only 2mbit+ down, I found 128k up was too limiting and that was even with a good router [m0n0wall] with traffic shaping/QOS management)

What the max you've transferred in a month? I believe I've done 150GB+ (not sure may have even been 250GB+) offpeak using Slingshot's free offpeak. A significant proportion of that was local traffic. (I can't actually check because Slingshot's crap data usage thing only shows this months data, they do make it easy for you to record it, but I never bother to set it up properly)

Sorry about the ADSL comment, I was under the impression Telecom killed Go Large a long time ago, except perhaps for Grandfathered customers.

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#230967 4-Jul-2009 12:46

Can interleaving be turned off on the big time plan?

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#230969 4-Jul-2009 12:50

raab: Can interleaving be turned off on the big time plan?

Doubtful personally. AFAIK, Telecom only allow that on their pro plans and it doesn't sound like this is one of them

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#230970 4-Jul-2009 12:52

Nil Einne:
raab: Can interleaving be turned off on the big time plan?

Doubtful personally. AFAIK, Telecom only allow that on their pro plans and it doesn't sound like this is one of them

It can be turned on and off, however only if you have your tolls with Telecom.

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#230972 4-Jul-2009 12:58

Nil Einne:
Local site? Did you have control over both ends?

Not a local site, virtual server I rent overseas.. Latency is terrible - about 250ms... I have MRTG installed on that server and was able to ratify that the DLs I saw on this end matched with the transmitted data from that end.

However I still stick by comment. I don't deny it's possible, I never did. I just said it's rather difficult and still think it's rather difficult (and perhaps I should have said, in the real world and for the average user under everyday conditions). Unless I can be shown evidence that most people regularly receive or are able to receive if the sites can handle it, 8mbit+ with 128k up even with a diverse number of sites and traffic types over TCP I'll stick by that belief. In reality though, I think it's unlikely, particularly when you add P2P to the mix (and in this modern age, I don't see why not). Sure, it may be possible in some circumstances particularly with low latencies and control over both ends to achieve 8mbit+ but for the real user, I suspect they'd find for most of their every day use, the 128k will limit them to less then 8mbit in much circumstances. Even more so when we can presume in the real world, people will often be doing some transferring other then sending acks. I appreciate this is rather difficult to test since you can't always know where the problem is, although if you do have more then 128k up, just use a good router to limit your connection and you can see it for yourself. (Personally with only 2mbit+ down, I found 128k up was too limiting and that was even with a good router [m0n0wall] with traffic shaping/QOS management)

Heh - I used to use Monowall, and I am NOT going to get into an argument about how wonderful linux is, but when I replaced it with an off the shelf ADSL router my performance went up.

I think we're agreeing about the 128k up thing... I have seen many people say that you can't download at faster than 4.5mbit BECAUSE OF THE 128k up. That is the patently false claim.

I don't dispute that you won't always get this - especially using torrents, or downloading with MANY threads because of the overheads involved in the protocol, and the increased number of threads requiring acks.

But 128k up does NOT intrinsicly limit users to just 4.5mbit down. Did you go see the site I linked at WAND which has a calculator to illustrate the theoretical limits for DL speed given ACK size / frequency, packet size and latency?

What the max you've transferred in a month? I believe I've done 150GB+ (not sure may have even been 250GB+) offpeak using Slingshot's free offpeak. A significant proportion of that was local traffic. (I can't actually check because Slingshot's crap billing only shows this months data)

The max I have DLed is probably less than 100GB, and that was an absolutely extraordinary month. Although I class myself as a very heavy user - I would prefer to have performance available on demand and pay a premium for that. (I have 2 different plans at home - both for backup, and one is on a good fast plan)

Sorry about the ADSL comment, I was under the impression Telecom killed Go Large a long time ago, except perhaps for Grandfathered customers.

No probs... Telecom hasn't really gone out and shouted about the ADSL2+ upgrade - it's been a tech refresh over quite some time. In reality though, ADSL1 to 2+ didn't make any difference on GO Large because I found the max was usually about 700KB/sec (way offpeak, with a following wind, downhill) and ADSL1 was able to handle that.

Cheers - N

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nzbnw:
Nil Einne:
raab: Can interleaving be turned off on the big time plan?

Doubtful personally. AFAIK, Telecom only allow that on their pro plans and it doesn't sound like this is one of them

It can be turned on and off, however only if you have your tolls with Telecom.

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#230980 4-Jul-2009 13:44

nzbnw:
Nil Einne:
raab: Can interleaving be turned off on the big time plan?

Doubtful personally. AFAIK, Telecom only allow that on their pro plans and it doesn't sound like this is one of them

It can be turned on and off, however only if you have your tolls with Telecom.

nzbnw

Random! I had to laugh, as good as Telecom is becomming, it just goes to show how random and quirky Telco's still are.

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#231008 4-Jul-2009 15:41

Heh people are already were already having problems with slow youtube until they took the cache down, not sure if it's back up yet.

See: http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/358287/

So what we know now is the google/youtube local caching is done by dns (have to be using Telecom dns servers) and that is was applied to all Telecom customers retail, business and big time included and it couldn' handle the jandel™

Here's a quick way with a tracert to see if the local cache is being used.... you can see this address to a google caching server resolved to a local address

tracert v1.lscache1.googlevideo.com

Tracing route to v1.lscache1.l.google.com [210.55.180.144]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
2    48 ms    51 ms    50 ms ip210-55-69-232.kc.net.nz [210.55.69.232]
3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
4    68 ms    70 ms    79 ms x6-0-0-v20.akcr10.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.238.49]
5    73 ms    70 ms    69 ms v4.aksw7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.51]
6    68 ms    67 ms    64 ms ge6-3-0-6.akbr4.global-gateway.net.nz [202.37.246.18]
7    67 ms    67 ms    67 ms xe0-0-0-2.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.78]
8    69 ms    70 ms    66 ms 210.55.180.144

.. for comparison on Telstra you can see it resolves to a Google server in the US

Tracing route to v1.lscache1.l.google.com [74.125.103.80]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms 192.168.1.1
3    12 ms     9 ms    12 ms 218.101.61.22
4    11 ms     8 ms     8 ms ge-2-0-0-874-ie1-internet.telstraclear.net [218.101.61.161]
5     8 ms     8 ms     9 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.251]
6     8 ms     7 ms     7 ms 203.167.233.10
7   133 ms   133 ms   133 ms i-3-2-1.wil-core02.bx.reach.com [202.84.142.145]
8   133 ms   134 ms   133 ms i-1-2.tlot03.bi.reach.com [202.84.251.238]
9   133 ms   133 ms   133 ms 72.14.197.53
10   133 ms   133 ms   133 ms 216.239.43.14
11   145 ms   146 ms   144 ms 209.85.249.226
12   143 ms   142 ms   146 ms 72.14.239.253
13   147 ms   143 ms   144 ms 72.14.236.19
14   143 ms   143 ms   143 ms 74.125.103.80

Trace complete.

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