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# 243058 5-Aug-2009 15:27
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if im right different settings from different isp's make a difference. for example: you live one block away from the exchange or any distance and you are with orcon, you will have faster sync rates then if you were with telecom.

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  # 243233 5-Aug-2009 20:52
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ants: you wont get faster downstream. the only difference here is bigtime has uncapped upstream, so if with xnet you had cap at 128 or 256 or what have you, here youll get as much as your line will allow. if xnet's downstream was uncapped, you wont get anymore as that's limited by the line, modem and the exchange.

in other words, if you are on an upcapped plan with one ISP, changing ISP's wont affect your connect rates, its only limited by the line and the hardware itself. youre still sitting on the same cabinet, dslam, modem, etc. your throughput may change, but not the connect rates.


The thing was that I was capped at ADSL1 at xnet, I was never on a FS down plan.  I was expecting a better downstream sync.  I'm less than 1km from the local exchange, does that help, or is it mainly the line quality?

 
 
 
 


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  # 243242 5-Aug-2009 21:26
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ants:
PlatinuM195: Just switched to Big Time from xnet pay-per-gig.  So far so good, but I don't seem to be getting faster downstream sync:

Downstream Rate: 7547 kbps

Upstream Rate: 733 kbps



you wont get faster downstream. the only difference here is bigtime has uncapped upstream, so if with xnet you had cap at 128 or 256 or what have you, here youll get as much as your line will allow. if xnet's downstream was uncapped, you wont get anymore as that's limited by the line, modem and the exchange.

in other words, if you are on an upcapped plan with one ISP, changing ISP's wont affect your connect rates, its only limited by the line and the hardware itself. youre still sitting on the same cabinet, dslam, modem, etc. your throughput may change, but not the connect rates.



Well that's not true without interleaving getting turned off i was Connecting at Downstream Rate: 7616 kbps and Upstream Rate: 860 kbps


But now getting interleaving getting turned off i am back to my old speeds that are 8160 and 1024


So i guess you can connect faster , plan is pretty good really if you just want downloading.. its slow during the "busy time" but i prepared for that haven't tried anything else yet

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  # 243248 5-Aug-2009 21:51
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PlatinuM195: depending on what type of an exchange your on. thres only one type of an exchange that supports adsl2+ which are pretty common these days, but there are still alot out there which only support adsl 1. i myself am about 300m from a nokia exchange, and am sitting on 7616 down constantly because its all it can ever give me until it gets replaced.

rygrass: when you turn interleaving on and off you change the port profile, apart from the interleaving the artificial cap can still be different with interleaving on or off. if you were to go to another isp and have your interleaving on, youll be back on your 7616 / 860 cap because its dictated by the equipment at the exchange and not by an isp. same goes for the interleaving off port profile. but if your convinced that you can - no worries, ill just mind my own business.

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  # 243250 5-Aug-2009 21:56
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muncher12: if im right different settings from different isp's make a difference. for example: you live one block away from the exchange or any distance and you are with orcon, you will have faster sync rates then if you were with telecom.



nope unfortunately this isnt the case. the wires that connect you to the exchange itself are still the same. thats a common misconseption, "stuff telecom, ill go to ihug". in the end theyll end up being connected through the same pair and half the time through the same port/card on the exchange. ofcourse the plans / customer service and all that other hoohaa makes a big difference, but as far as the connect rates go they wont change. 

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  # 243258 5-Aug-2009 22:08
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ants:
muncher12: if im right different settings from different isp's make a difference. for example: you live one block away from the exchange or any distance and you are with orcon, you will have faster sync rates then if you were with telecom.



nope unfortunately this isnt the case. the wires that connect you to the exchange itself are still the same. thats a common misconseption, "stuff telecom, ill go to ihug". in the end theyll end up being connected through the same pair and half the time through the same port/card on the exchange. ofcourse the plans / customer service and all that other hoohaa makes a big difference, but as far as the connect rates go they wont change. 


Well actually that isn't quite correct.  If you are on the LLU with orcon you are using their equipment, not telecoms and in my case my speed dropped by 3000kilobits when going back onto the telecom network from orcons equipment.  I even questioned Telecom about this drop in speed and their answer was that they aren't as aggressive in their speeds as orcon and go for lower speed but a more stable connection, though I never had a problem with stability with orcon.  As it is orcons equipment in the exchange they can configure the connections how they want so they can choose speed as priority and accept higher noise levels than perhaps telecom.

So yes,  there is a good chance you will get faster sync rates with orconcompared to a telecom connection to the same exchange, different story if telecom have moved your connection to a cabinet of course.


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  # 243272 5-Aug-2009 22:28
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would i be able to find out which department you talked to at telecom who gave you that information? if you still remember that is.

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  # 243294 5-Aug-2009 22:45
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I agree with ants unless your living in Auckland or Wellington then you MAY be using someone else's equipment but in most other towns you are still using Telecom Cable and Telecom equipment so it shouldn't matter what isp you use, because you are still going to be going through the same stuff

Well ants this is true i will be happy to take screen shots of before and after? As i am connecting to a Alcatel 7302 ASAM. But when i use to be on Telecom's Adventure plan ( plan that offered full speed down and up but with 64k cap ) i was connecting at 7616kbs and a lower upload speed but since being able to turn interleaving off has gone to the maximum so it must be there end.


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  # 243328 6-Aug-2009 02:41
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The engineer that called me to let me know my connection had been moved off the orcon equipment over to Telecoms, I had noticed the drop in sync speed immediately. I then also emailed Telecom and after a few emails got an email back suggesting that Orcon configured their own equipment differently to Telecom. Orcon use siemens equipment, telecom use alcatel I believe. This only applies to people on orcons + network as otherwise you would still be on telecoms equipment regardless of orcon being your isp.

If you scroll back over this thread you will notice other people pointing out the drop in sync speeds when moving from the orcon+ network back to the telecom network.


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  # 243423 6-Aug-2009 12:21
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Sync speed is often way higher than the actual throughput you'll get on an ISP anyway, especially internationally. Is it really a big deal if your sync speed is lower?


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  # 243435 6-Aug-2009 12:45
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Well I definitely download at a slower speed than I did on Orcon even to places that I don't think are managed but no it isn't a big deal at all for me hence why I am still with telecom :).
The only reason I asked them was that I was curious why the sync speed did drop but anyway I was also just pointing out that ISP's can definitely set things up differently if they are using their own equipment in the exchange, chipsets also play a role of course.

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  # 243562 6-Aug-2009 16:47
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All of these play a part, no doubt:

House line quality and filters/master spliter
ADSL modem chipset and firmware
Phone line quality (and distance) to the exchange/cabinet
DSLAM chispet and firmware
ADSL port profile



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  # 243935 7-Aug-2009 13:41

Every day it gets worst, bittorent is mostly zero from 9am to midnight, and when I check at 7am the router will need a reboot, well I guess it does confirm that the shapers are working.

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  # 244033 7-Aug-2009 19:03
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So I changed to big time earlier this week, here's the performance over a 24 hour period from 7pm thursday to 7pm friday.

This test was downloading two large torrents from well seeded trackers.
-  You can see the effect of the 9am-2am p2p shaping (bittorrent limited to 180 KB/s max)
-  The drops around 10pm on thursday was when I was mucking around with utorrent
-  My line sync's at 4-5Mbit max due to distance from the exchange (no cabinet till 2010) so you will not see much higher than 400 KB.



So far I think general web performance seems fine (the test for this is how much your partner complains about facebook speed, no complaints yet).

Will be testing out gaming this weekend and maybe large http downloads from MSDN or something.

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  # 244039 7-Aug-2009 19:33
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I say 180KB/sec max on bittorrent is pretty fair, especially so on an unlimited usage plan.

When I was with Orcon earlier this, I remember being capped to a max of 30KB/sec during the day, for unspecified duration, unlike Big Time which specifies 9am - 2am as peak hours.

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