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  #254438 9-Sep-2009 17:30
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Yeah I understand, but 3G 2100MHz is in 70% of the main centers anyway, and it's always being improved. I think part of the fail is that the iPhone doesn't support 900MHz HSDPA..

Here in Nelson (Must be because of all the hills) we always have customers from XT porting back from it to Vodafone because of Coverage Issues, it seems here XT is everywhere except on your front lawn. In the time that this Telecom Deal has been running, I have had personally 3 customers porting their iPhones back mostly due to coverage, but it seems here in Nelson speed is a issue too with XT.




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  #254453 9-Sep-2009 17:53
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michaelmurfy: Yeah I understand, but 3G 2100MHz is in 70% of the main centers anyway, and it's always being improved. I think part of the fail is that the iPhone doesn't support 900MHz HSDPA..

Here in Nelson (Must be because of all the hills) we always have customers from XT porting back from it to Vodafone because of Coverage Issues, it seems here XT is everywhere except on your front lawn. In the time that this Telecom Deal has been running, I have had personally 3 customers porting their iPhones back mostly due to coverage, but it seems here in Nelson speed is a issue too with XT.





Being that you work for Vodafone I don't think many people will take your opinion on XT very seriously.

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  #254465 9-Sep-2009 18:13
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@ michaelmurfy: If Vodafone's 2100MHz 3G coverage was widespread and reliable enough, people wouldn't be dropped back to 2G now, would they..



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  #254473 9-Sep-2009 18:34
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munchkin: @ michaelmurfy: If Vodafone's 2100MHz 3G coverage was widespread and reliable enough, people wouldn't be dropped back to 2G now, would they..



Agreed. Its much better getting fast 3G speeds virtually everywhere than being stuck with a mix of dial up-like GPRS and limited 3G coverage (remember the iPhone cannot use Vodafones 'extended' 3G coverage).




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  #254513 9-Sep-2009 20:04
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michaelmurfy: Yeah I understand, but 3G 2100MHz is in 70% of the main centers anyway, and it's always being improved. I think part of the fail is that the iPhone doesn't support 900MHz HSDPA..

Here in Nelson (Must be because of all the hills) we always have customers from XT porting back from it to Vodafone because of Coverage Issues, it seems here XT is everywhere except on your front lawn. In the time that this Telecom Deal has been running, I have had personally 3 customers porting their iPhones back mostly due to coverage, but it seems here in Nelson speed is a issue too with XT.


I live on the North Shore and spend a lot of time in Auckland CBD. I rarely get 3G speeds anywhere. If I wasn't planning on moving back to London I would have switched to XT.

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  #254530 9-Sep-2009 20:50
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munchkin: @ michaelmurfy: If Vodafone's 2100MHz 3G coverage was widespread and reliable enough, people wouldn't be dropped back to 2G now, would they..


That's correct, but the 2100MHz Cell Sites are pretty much made for broadband speed internet, I understand that it's not truly widespread but in saying that it's got to do with the frequency (Higher Frequency = Lower Coverage) - Telecom also have a 2100MHz Network in some of the city centres.

I suppose the good thing with Voda is that they do have a backup 2g network in case anything really screws up, or if there are any coverage issues in that area. Over the same frequency there is also 3G - but like cokemaster said, this is not supported by the iPhone.

Being that you work for Vodafone I don't think many people will take your opinion on XT very seriously.


Yeah I do work for Vodafone, but have always been a Vodafone customer, I actually don't intend on coming on here on a salesperson level >.< - I have tried XT with a iPhone myself and see how it could be better, but in saying that - it seems to me the same experence you would get from the Vodafone 3G Entended network, also I have noticed the upload speed / ping are marginally worse.

XT is nice, and was a well-needed upgrade to the Telecom Infrastructure but in saying that they did make some promises they didn't keep, and quite a few people are complaining about coverage compared to their old CDMA network. To me it's still in the Beta Stages.




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I suggest you read this regarding the "2G fallback" myth.




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  #254542 9-Sep-2009 21:17
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cokemaster: I suggest you read this regarding the "2G fallback" myth.


Thanks for that, I should really subscribe to his RSS feed at some point, he actually knows his stuff ;)




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  #254571 9-Sep-2009 22:08
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Michael, you shouldn’t believe everything the Vodafone spin doctors tell you.

michaelmurfy: Vodafone have always been ahead, since 2005 they have had 3G - Since the birth (from Bellsouth) they have had Sim Cards, Telecom have only just caught up.


 

I think you would find with a little research that Telecom was forced by the Government of the day to sell its 900Mhz frequency, and GSM services, which by the way in my book are not as good as CDMA, where not available in the frequency bands that Telecom had assigned to them at the time the decision to switch from TDMA to CDMA was made. In short GSM was a non-option.




Wait a minute, isn't this the 2nd time in the last 10 years Telecom have made their customers switch phones because of a "Network Upgrade"?

1st Time) Amps was shut down (Their old analogue network) in favor for CDMA in 2002?
2nd Time) CDMA being shut down end of 2011, wow great! They are forcing users to change again.


Telecom AMPS was around well before BellSouth’s GSM network and the natural migration path for TDMA operators at the time was to switch to CDMA.  The date for CDMA is NOT 2011, but sometime in 2012. Telecom also offered subsidies on phones to help customers with the switch from TDMA to CDMA.



I am glad to be with a established network. Telecom _only_ have 850MHz UTMS and CDMA, while Vodafone has both 2G & 3G UTMS, if 3G fails on Telecom's network, it's not like they can roll back to 2G or CDMA right?


 

And what do you think happens when CDMA is to fail? Same thing as XT. If I recall there have been more VF 3G failures as of late, so they must be glad they have that GSM network.

 




Switching your iPhone to XT is Fail. Nuff said. Just watch Vodafone's site and they might have another offer for you guys ;)


 

Actually seeing as the iPhone supports 850 MHz, like AT&T support in the states and Telstra in aussie, it’s a much better fit. Nationwide 3G coverage on your iPhone. Now that’s something VF can’t offer.

 

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What have you guys got to say about it no Apple has removed Telecoms and 2D ability to tether?

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  #257725 23-Sep-2009 09:36

Can I just correct a misstatement that I hear a lot.

Telecom was not forced to sell its GSM spectrum... the MED said Telecom had bought all the spectrum it could and wasn't allowed to sit on it and that Telecom had to chose whether to keep one lot (effectively CDMA) or the other (GSM).

At no time did the govt, MED or anyone but Telecom's board "force" Telecom to chose CDMA over GSM. That was a board level decision based on the fact that Telecom was controlled by a US consortium at the time.

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  #257735 23-Sep-2009 10:17
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munchkin: @ michaelmurfy: If Vodafone's 2100MHz 3G coverage was widespread and reliable enough, people wouldn't be dropped back to 2G now, would they..


This would depend on the RF performance of the handset as well as the network

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munchkin: @ michaelmurfy: If Vodafone's 2100MHz 3G coverage was widespread and reliable enough, people wouldn't be dropped back to 2G now, would they..


This would depend on the RF performance of the handset as well as the network

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While I realise that handset design and manufacture has a lot to account for, on several handsets I can't get a reliable signal - let alone a connection - at my house. I can see the tower from my kitchen.

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munchkin:
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munchkin: @ michaelmurfy: If Vodafone's 2100MHz 3G coverage was widespread and reliable enough, people wouldn't be dropped back to 2G now, would they..


This would depend on the RF performance of the handset as well as the network

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While I realise that handset design and manufacture has a lot to account for, on several handsets I can't get a reliable signal - let alone a connection - at my house. I can see the tower from my kitchen.


You may be able to see the tower but where are the panels pointing are you above or below them by chance

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I'm below them, they're aimed at the valley floor. It's nothing major really - just have a GPRS connection most of the time.

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