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Now I knew all that before I signed up for the Bigtime plan last year. I'm not defending Telecom, or the Bigtime plan, I'm just stating what is clearly visible on the website, We know from Telecoms website that Yes there is caps. Maybe too many people were blinded by the word"Unlimited".
doozy:
Given the amount of threads and such around people trying to get around shaping, much like how we wouldn't publish how a spam filter works, I really don't think it would be wise for me to give any details on the configuration of the traffic shaping policy
asylum: Do you believe telecom is accurately representing those caps though? In it's terms and conditions? I read it at best as misleading more inclined to view as fraud because it is deliberate.
CraZeD,
Your friendly Southern Geeky Fellow :P
crazed:asylum: Do you believe telecom is accurately representing those caps though? In it's terms and conditions? I read it at best as misleading more inclined to view as fraud because it is deliberate.
Because Telecom is not detailed in their explaination of what they mean by Caps or Traffic management, then it is only what we believe to be incorrect application of the cap or traffic management that is causing our current situations, for all we know our current experience of the Bigtime Plan could be exactly what Telecom refers to as being a Cap or by the use of the term Traffic managment.
Telecom sets no clear benchmark or guideline to what is a cap or what is Traffic Management under their definition, therefore we are left with guesswork and our own opinions as to what the Bigtime Plan should be like.
crazed: By providing to much information or answering questions in relation to a piece of software or technology can allow a person to build up enough knowledge on how it works to eventually break through. Telecom isn't going to provide that information on how or what the traffic shaping does. Its like a Jigsaw puzzle, The more pieces you put on the table, the better understanding you have to what it looks like and the easier it is to finish. Same with traffic shaping, the more pieces of information out there, the easier it is to break.
If enough information is release on how and what the traffic shaping does then eventually someone will click and design a work around based on the technology.
nzpossum: Doozy is an example of why people have such hostility towards Telecom at the moment. As an employee he obviously could lay out the cold hard facts about the throttling going on but instead gives us some absurd excuse that he does not what to be seen as helping people bypass the traffic management ( or should i say capping) that is going on. If your not allowed to disseminate this information Doozy because it would mean people finding out the truth about capping then say so, but people on this plan have been screwed for the last 2 weeks now that these kind of ridiculous excuses make people more angry. Some people have been getting international speeds of less than 20KB/s and Telecom give you a different answer at every turn. Do you think it is ok for people to have to pay $60 for dial up speeds only to be shafted when they ask if this is permanent. Doozy how about providing people with some real information so they can make informed decisions. Some people may decide to change plans but how about some honesty.
asylum: At present big time is a traffic managed one megabit connection except for local traffic. It is presently being fraudulently advertised especially under traffic management
# Traffic Management - We don't place an artificial cap on the download or upload speed on the majority of the internet activity our customers have on this plan. But because it has no fixed data allowance, we do manage all the traffic on it to optimise the experience for everyone on the plan. When the network is busy (generally inside the hours of 9am and 2am) you may notice reduced speeds, in particular you are likely to see reduced speeds in relation to file sharing traffic and online gaming.
A data cap on virtually all international traffic is an artificial cap on the overwhelming majority of internet usage. If telecom wants to throttle back file sharing related activity that is it's perogative as it is stated in terms and conditions.
The part where it says when the network is busy you may notice reduced speeds. Speeds are presently reduced constantly regardless of time of day or level of network activity.
DravidDavid: Is international traffic shaped at 1mbps 24/7 for good:
I fail to see how a simple yes or no would leak so much information that it would compromise the shaping to the point where the people that can be bothered getting around it can get around it more.
We aren't exactly asking for the source code here...
powerforce:asylum: At present big time is a traffic managed one megabit connection except for local traffic. It is presently being fraudulently advertised especially under traffic management
# Traffic Management - We don't place an artificial cap on the download or upload speed on the majority of the internet activity our customers have on this plan. But because it has no fixed data allowance, we do manage all the traffic on it to optimise the experience for everyone on the plan. When the network is busy (generally inside the hours of 9am and 2am) you may notice reduced speeds, in particular you are likely to see reduced speeds in relation to file sharing traffic and online gaming.
A data cap on virtually all international traffic is an artificial cap on the overwhelming majority of internet usage. If telecom wants to throttle back file sharing related activity that is it's perogative as it is stated in terms and conditions.
The part where it says when the network is busy you may notice reduced speeds. Speeds are presently reduced constantly regardless of time of day or level of network activity.
Hi there, have read a fair bit of this thread out of interest, 100 pages...its gotta be interesting, or atleast informing!?
Here is my take on the Bigtime policy quoted above - in particular the bolded section.
As i understand it there is a "big time pool" a rough example could be bigtime has 10gbps bandwidth shared accross 10000 Bigtime internet users. (example only!)
As more users are online, the same amount of bandwidth (or pool space) has to then be shared between the increased amount of users. This would then lead to reduced performance as more people online = less bandwidth for you or less room for you in the pool.
My take on the above quoted bolded statement assuming what i typed above is indeed correct i dont think it would be an "artifical cap" imposed by Telecom -as they themelves are not imposing it or capping you, other users are dipping into your pool of bandwidth as thats simply what you paid for - a public swmming pool no guaranteed / uncapped/unregulated speeds.
All of what i have typed is only based of what i have read in this thread.
PS - i was with telecom, my flat got disconnected due to slight a bill variance. They imposed the $199 fee on us. This was the best thing that could have happened to us as we were unwilling to commit to pay the $199 to leave telecom ourselves- but they did that for us didnt they!
Peace hope it works out for you guys :)
aimsy007: What do 'we' do.
k1wi:aimsy007: What do 'we' do.
Set up a bittorrent site for Telecom users only that tracks legitimate downloads. It seems bittorrent speeds aren't managed domestically, so we should set up a bandwidth pool. :)
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