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Master Geek


  # 325565 1-May-2010 13:31
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Well I spoke too soon regarding live online streaming, as it has gone back to being crap and not watcheable.

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Uber Geek


  # 325595 1-May-2010 16:22
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Live streaming varies for me.

I can't seem to stream from yahoo.co.nz in the morning, but can sometimes stream in the afternoon. Never at any sort of quality though. Either 50k or 100k works the best. 300K if I am lucky.

What I find funny is underneath the quality controls it says "Your detected line speed is: 1274Kbps"





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Uber Geek


  # 325917 3-May-2010 08:00
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DravidDavid: Live streaming varies for me.
What I find funny is underneath the quality controls it says "Your detected line speed is: 1274Kbps"


Now it says my detected line speed is 3984Kbps and still no better.  Everything but streaming seems to be working flawlessly.

I'm still very happy so far!





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Geek


  # 325933 3-May-2010 09:26
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There appears to be an artificial cap of 2 megabit on virtually all international http, double what was imposed on April 15. It is my understanding that international http traffic comprises the majority of internet usage. While this cap is in place telecom is failing to live upto it's legal obligations to provide the service laid out in the terms and conditions. Not attacking you dravid but don't like to see telecom receiving positive feedback, the quality of service and failure to communicate with it's customers over the past few weeks is a disgrace.

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Master Geek


  # 325937 3-May-2010 09:36
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asylum: There appears to be an artificial cap of 2 megabit on virtually all international http, double what was imposed on April 15. It is my understanding that international http traffic comprises the majority of internet usage. While this cap is in place telecom is failing to live upto it's legal obligations to provide the service laid out in the terms and conditions. Not attacking you dravid but don't like to see telecom receiving positive feedback, the quality of service and failure to communicate with it's customers over the past few weeks is a disgrace.


Fair call, I say.
I'm pretty content with my service right now but not hugely positive

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Ultimate Geek


  # 325949 3-May-2010 10:07
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asylum: It is my understanding that international http traffic comprises the majority of internet usage.


What are you basing that on?

All the reports I have read still say that p2p traffic is the largest single type of traffic, although streaming video is getting close due to the many TV broadcaster OnDemand services in USA/Europe plus Youtube.

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Geek


  # 325953 3-May-2010 10:23
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Telecom makes a caveat for p2p and file sharing related traffic that is stipulated in the terms and conditions, I don't take issue with these. It would have been more accurate for me to say non p2p and filesharing related international traffic. The reason I take issue with the artificial cap is that it is readily quantifiable across users, unlike issues that people may have with gaming skype etc.

 
 
 
 


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Ultimate Geek

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  # 325954 3-May-2010 10:25
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Cymro:
asylum: It is my understanding that international http traffic comprises the majority of internet usage.


What are you basing that on?

All the reports I have read still say that p2p traffic is the largest single type of traffic, although streaming video is getting close due to the many TV broadcaster OnDemand services in USA/Europe plus Youtube.


Not sure what reports you got your info from but p2p has been rapidly declining for a while now.

globally p2p is down to 18% from its peak at 40% in 2007...

http://www.p2pon.com/2010/04/07/p2p-traffic-drops-as-file-hosting-services-climb-higher/

just google "p2p declining" and you will see plenty of sites talking about it...

but sites like youtube, and the one click hosters were the death blow for p2p.. along with plenty of law suits against p2p users (trading copyrighted material) in the states etc...


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Ultimate Geek


  # 325960 3-May-2010 10:44
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Kilack:
Cymro:
asylum: It is my understanding that international http traffic comprises the majority of internet usage.


What are you basing that on?

All the reports I have read still say that p2p traffic is the largest single type of traffic, although streaming video is getting close due to the many TV broadcaster OnDemand services in USA/Europe plus Youtube.


Not sure what reports you got your info from but p2p has been rapidly declining for a while now.

globally p2p is down to 18% from its peak at 40% in 2007...

http://www.p2pon.com/2010/04/07/p2p-traffic-drops-as-file-hosting-services-climb-higher/

just google "p2p declining" and you will see plenty of sites talking about it...

but sites like youtube, and the one click hosters were the death blow for p2p.. along with plenty of law suits against p2p users (trading copyrighted material) in the states etc...



Thats based on ports used, nothing about how much p2p is being masked as other traffic types, the company who released that report sell, you guessed it, IP flow and DPI services.

I do agree that oneclick hosts have taken a chunk out of p2p use, but you would be amazed at how much p2p is hidden these days, and remember that p2p is still "free" compared to oneclick hosts moving more and more towards subscriptions.

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Master Geek


  # 325962 3-May-2010 10:53
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Unless you can prove that a speed cap doesn't constitute shaping, I don't think your argument holds any water. And remember, even with a 2Mbit cap, that's a practical cap of 657GB/month. So I really don't see what the problem is.

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Master Geek


  # 325964 3-May-2010 11:20
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Just to jump on this band wagon.  In the last few days I have started to get better speeds, from 5k back up to 50k.  But I have also noticed that it is killing other things.  I use irc a lot for some of my game channels and I connect to a bnc in the states to hold my connection to the ircd.  I do this because of the adsl connection always dropping out.  But now I can not stay connected to my bnc for more than 10 minutes.  I connect and 5-10 minutes later it disconnects.  It does this consistently and has been doing it for over a day now, and no it isn't the bnc that is the issue as I have tested it on another persons line.  It is a high port 19000 and im wondering if it is a result of a change that telecom has done.  Anyone know anything about this? Dozey?

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Geek


  # 325998 3-May-2010 12:53
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For me the distinction between shaping and a cap is that shaping is dynamic and takes into account conditions such as level of network activity where an artificial cap is a constantly imposed speed reduction.

Quote from telecom t&c
Traffic Management - We don't place an artificial cap on the download or upload speed on the majority of the internet activity our customers have on this plan.

Do you agree that this statement is false under the present cap?

Also
When the network is busy (generally inside the hours of 9am and 2am) you may notice reduced speeds, in particular you are likely to see reduced speeds in relation to file sharing traffic and online gaming.

Under an artificial cap speeds are reduced constantly and consistently irrespective of how busy the network is. This is at best misleading as it implies better speeds outside 9am and 2am.

In the same way telecom expects me to pay bills on time I expect telecom to provide the service advertised.

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Master Geek


  # 326035 3-May-2010 14:29
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Crucius: Unless you can prove that a speed cap doesn't constitute shaping, I don't think your argument holds any water. And remember, even with a 2Mbit cap, that's a practical cap of 657GB/month. So I really don't see what the problem is.

Well then, one could say advertise the plan not as "all you can eat" but instead as "657GB per month" I know what you're saying, and yeah its a heap of data, I wouldn't even use close to it, I guess the point is, how things are currently are that Telecom is selling a plan that doesn't do what it says it does.

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  # 326038 3-May-2010 14:33
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Shegae "Well then, one could say advertise the plan not as "all you can eat" but instead as "657GB per month" I know what you're saying, and yeah its a heap of data, I wouldn't even use close to it, I guess the point is, how things are currently are that Telecom is selling a plan that doesn't do what it says it does. "



What am I missing? I see posts on traffic shaping vs artificial capping, can anyone explain a description of each of these? Relate is to say P2P for example. What is P2P under traffic management and what is P2P under artificial capping?

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Wannabe Geek


  # 326078 3-May-2010 15:53
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More Big Time gaming problems... some of my games appear to be seen as P2P programs and are being duely throttled. I bought these games off of Steam, and whereas Steam itself now seems to download, albeit very slowly, these other games are being majorly effected.

1: Golbal Agenda, in-game sever connectivity problems due to what appears to be large latency. Can most of the time log onto main server but have extremly frequent troubles logging into PvP and PvE servers (servers you actually play on). I'm not certain if this is due to Big Time throttling, but it looks to me as if it might be.

2: Final Fantasy XI, uses Play Online program to launch/update game and it appears to be throttled to a state that makes it unplayable as it cannot update.

3: Fallen Earth, Updater for FE appears to also be throttled so that it cannot update, making the game unplayable.

All these games are not hugely popular so I assume that these problems are due to thier connections not being marked as "safe" and let through Big Time throttling.

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