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  #326537 4-May-2010 16:17
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Kilack: People that go buy 10 gb of storage then feel they have to fill that up to justify the cost so it gets loaded up with crap they will probably never watch etc.

You mean TBs right ;)

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  #326538 4-May-2010 16:21
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Kilack: Yeah thats my point, while yes you could download tb's, the reality is that you must be just filling up your drives with crap.  People that go buy 10 gb of storage then feel they have to fill that up to justify the cost so it gets loaded up with crap they will probably never watch etc.



And all this could probably be solved if we had a few more decent HD channels on TV. There's so many great shows we never see over here. Sky is rubbish... it has as many (if not more) ad's than regular tv and you still have to pay for it.

 
 
 
 


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#326539 4-May-2010 16:25
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Kilack: You really think there are people downloading  TB's per month?

What the heck are they downloading?  I mean lets assume they are download movies... tv programs.. games etc... there just arent that many releases each month...??


If you were in charge of an ISP, this would be the quickest way to blow all your international bandwidth - challenge your users that they can't go download TBs a month!

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  #326557 4-May-2010 17:23
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There are certain personality types (fortunately not me) that are straight out hoarders, you know like crazy cat ladies OR that guy with 35 rusting cars on his back yard... internet is no different.

They will download more than they can ever watch in the highest quality possible because they like to collect things.





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  #326565 4-May-2010 17:39
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I think this is starting to get a touch off topic.

A few posts back, a user stated that his mum and dad are on the plan, and are unhappy with the performance of it. A few people then asked why they would need to be on such a plan in the first place.

Having lived with what I would call "regular" people; ie not the types to use p2p etc, I can see why the plan would suit them much better than one of the capped plans. You only have to look at the explosion of facebook games and the insane bandwidth usage they consume, combined with the youtube usage of the average family to see that a plan like this would suit them. Chuck in a few phone/video calls on Skype, and the allure of not having to monitor like crazy your data usage and it's a viable plan for a lot of people.

Also, it was asked what the 'majority of web usage is'. Obviously this is a fairly vague term; if it refers to the amount of bandwidth, then I guess p2p traffic and youtube would be the two main culprits, one is openly shaped, the other is openly optimised for great speed. But if consider this term in regards to people's time on the web, normal http browsing, downloading software and playing games while surfing facebook would be much more significant than with the bandwidth skewed classification.

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  #326569 4-May-2010 17:49
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Crucius: Fair enough, but all telecom have to prove is that their interpretation is reasonable under the circumstances.



Not at all, it is the interpretation of a reasonable person who is receiving the service, which is the customer, well, the court's interpretation of what a reasonable customer would expect. What Telecom believes is irrelevant, plus extremely difficult to prove beyond what they say.

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  #326580 4-May-2010 18:54
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crazed: Yea its possible if you download Blueray stuff, at 50Gb per movie.

18 Blueray ISO movies and you have a Tb easy.

Downloading them on the shaping is a different story.


Ya but wouldn't people just pay for a VPN or somethin

 
 
 
 


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  #326621 4-May-2010 20:40
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VPN traffic is shaped too.





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  #326645 4-May-2010 21:24
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I doubt it is otherwise people wouldn't use them

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  #326647 4-May-2010 21:27
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Oh...VPN is less shaped. But still shaped.





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  #326698 4-May-2010 23:39
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Shaped into the ground




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  #326773 5-May-2010 10:06
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Yea from what I have heard VPNs are still shaped




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  #326785 5-May-2010 10:24
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So here's a few questions;

What are peoples definitions of 'reasonable shaping'? And if you're going to say something like 'no hard speed cap on HTTP', then what are you going to replace it with?

While the plan is unlimited, what do you think is a reasonable usage?

Which protocols do you think should be unshaped? Heavily shaped?

Just curious

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  #326809 5-May-2010 11:03
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Crusius has a good point.

Despite what some may feel on here, Big Time was not created for filesharing


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  #326810 5-May-2010 11:03
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"What are peoples definitions of 'reasonable shaping'?"

"My" idea of reasonable shaping is delivering an acceptable level of connection performance while not effecting applications such as games and streaming. It shouldn't be shaped so much that regular internet use is hindered to the point of frustration. The current "cap" if you want to call it that, is very acceptable.

"While the plan is unlimited, what do you think is a reasonable usage?"

I can't speak for others, but "my" idea of fair usage would probably be around the 200GB to 300GB mark. I think downloading over that is pretty greedy and a bit of a waste. However, I can't tell people what they can and cannot download on their "unlimited" connection. That is just my opinion.

Protocols that should be most shaped in order (1 being very shaped)

1. Torrenting/P2P
2. FTP
3. VPN
4. HTTP
5. Gaming/VoIP (I categorize this on its own as traffic from games can be identified and controled)

FTP needs to be at an acceptable level. Where as P2P traffic should be shaped to death during the day and let free at the specified times. The 24/7 shaping thing is rather stupid and does not live up to what Telecom originally promised.

I said Gaming and VoIP last because these are latency critical applications. HTTP needs to be a priority especially when streaming video.

People use VPNs to access computers and information else were. This needs to be at a reasonable level.

FTP: While is P2P and can be used to download all kinds of stuff, it is used by people that are in study to upload and download work...etc.

I can understand people are still angry about their gaming ports being blocked and stuff. But over all I am extremely happy. I think it is unfortunate that TVNZ does not work for me for some reason and hopefully other news websites will be cached over time.





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