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DravidDavid
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  #307116 14-Mar-2010 17:12
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ArcticSilver:
DravidDavid: It seems backwards to me too.

Games use next to nothing in terms of bandwidth.  I game a 100 or so hours on 1GB.  But I can't play a 10 year old game without dropping out because of leechers ripping thousands of gigs 24/7.

Torrents are Telecoms worst enemy on this plan.  They should throttle them so they get nothing during the day.


Its not quite that simple.

Let me explain.....

Itll be like this (or some thing simular/along the same principle):

Telecom has a international connection of say 1GB/s. This is for all their customers. They pay for the speed rather than per gb like we do at home.

Big time will probibly have a contention ratio. Think of a contention ratio as yourself being limited to a percentage of the available bandwidth.

Lets say its 5% of the available bandwidth. On a 100mbps line at the peak (where all of the 100mbps is being used) the big time pool will get 5mbps. Yet off peak where only say 50mbps is being used big time users can have from a minimum of 5mbps up to the free amount (so 5-50mbps) shared between them.

Thats why it is better off peak vs on peak. This is also why there isnt such a need for shaping off peak. The problem is the speed at peak time where there is no free bandwidth they must prioritise non big time users.

So the 1000's of GB's doesnt matter as long as its off peak where there is speed to spare.


Also it has been discussed many times eariler.

They do not deliberately shape gaming traffic. They are trying to shape just the heavy use applications.

The problem is making the rules that will only do one vs the other.


For example:

Lets say i was to create a rule for torrenting. I could:

Shape the common ports - The down side is some one will just change them and avoid the shaping.
Shape the number of connections - Suddenly any peer to peer application suffers including Modern Warfare 2

Its easy to know what you want but its a lot harder to impliment it.

Also there is a couple of telecom employees that surf this forum that have been extremely helpful. I couldnt be much happier. Oh and Gmail is now loading perfectly for me.


Ok, so why not do as they do over seas.  Put BigTime users on a soft-cap of say 4 or 5 hundred Gig per month.  less abuse, more for everyone.  If the abusers go over their soft cap...They get cut off.

So far I can't seem to be able to hit 60GB without deliberatly trying to.  And that is with 5 download hungry people in the house.

Its like the fair usage policy I guess.  And for those Telecom staff looking at this thread and improoving BigTime.  THANKYOU!

Keep it up! :)

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tunafish
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  #307120 14-Mar-2010 17:20

Then shape the encrypted traffic, users would move to unencrypted. As for copyright infringement if this is the only reason well just stop all P2P and rapidshare/megaupload today end of story, run a TV ad to tell how good you are and watch your customer base move, copyright is the poorest excuse there is for not caching.

ArcticSilver
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  #307128 14-Mar-2010 17:48
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Ok, so why not do as they do over seas.  Put BigTime users on a soft-cap of say 4 or 5 hundred Gig per month.  less abuse, more for everyone.  If the abusers go over their soft cap...They get cut off.

So far I can't seem to be able to hit 60GB without deliberatly trying to.  And that is with 5 download hungry people in the house.

Its like the fair usage policy I guess.  And for those Telecom staff looking at this thread and improoving BigTime.  THANKYOU!


Keep it up! :)


 

Simple. It wouldn't be unlimited otherwise. It doesn't have the same advertising appeal.

Also when you put up a cap like that people try and use it (and are annoyed when its so slow they cannot) where as when its unlimited it doesn't matter.



Ragnor
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  #307138 14-Mar-2010 18:09
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tunafish: Then shape the encrypted traffic, users would move to unencrypted. As for copyright infringement if this is the only reason well just stop all P2P and rapidshare/megaupload today end of story, run a TV ad to tell how good you are and watch your customer base move, copyright is the poorest excuse there is for not caching.


The revised section 92a will become law this year after the select committee process.

All ISP's will be required by law to pass on the customer the copyright infringement notices they are sent, they won't be able to just ignore them like they do currently.

If you use unencrypted p2p from public trackers you'll be taking a serious risk imo.

System
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  #307146 14-Mar-2010 18:32
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It won't stop them, they will just move to private trackers




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DravidDavid
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  #307148 14-Mar-2010 18:35
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System: It won't stop them, they will just move to private trackers


Are private trackers un-tracable?  Or does it just eliminate the risk of entrapment by companies putting up dud P2P servers to catch IPs?

tunafish
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  #307158 14-Mar-2010 19:01

I am sure Oversi and Peerapp has considered the legal aspects a lot more then Ragnor could even imagine, so I will be waiting the day that Telecom either block all the sources of this material, block the ports etc, it just wont happen. As for a torrent of infringement notices to deal with well thats just another poor excuss to add to the list.



System
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  #307163 14-Mar-2010 19:16
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DravidDavid:
System: It won't stop them, they will just move to private trackers


Are private trackers un-tracable?  Or does it just eliminate the risk of entrapment by companies putting up dud P2P servers to catch IPs?


They are not untracable but they make things harder because they require registration and dont make their details public so a person has to register themselves and in some cases can't even do that without an invite which makes tracking people using them difficult




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#307225 14-Mar-2010 22:36
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System:
DravidDavid:
System: It won't stop them, they will just move to private trackers


Are private trackers un-tracable?  Or does it just eliminate the risk of entrapment by companies putting up dud P2P servers to catch IPs?


They are not untracable but they make things harder because they require registration and dont make their details public so a person has to register themselves and in some cases can't even do that without an invite which makes tracking people using them difficult


Please stay on topic, this discussion is already long enough without going off topic Smile

Ragnor
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  #307235 14-Mar-2010 23:42
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tunafish: I am sure Oversi and Peerapp has considered the legal aspects a lot more then Ragnor could even imagine, so I will be waiting the day that Telecom either block all the sources of this material, block the ports etc, it just wont happen. As for a torrent of infringement notices to deal with well thats just another poor excuss to add to the list.


You're missing the point.

People will have to move to encrypted p2p and https to download the things they download now without legalities catching up with them. 

Encrypted traffic can't be cached.. so relying on caching is not going to deliver results down the line.  That's a pretty valid concern for any ISP looking into investing heavily into expensive caching hardware like Peer App or Oversi in the near future.




ArcticSilver
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  #307242 15-Mar-2010 00:31
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Getting back on topic....

Could i ask if some thing could be done about Battlefield Bad Company 2 on Big Time.

I just plugged in my XT stick to find everything loads up quickly and properly. Without it most things will not load properly/at all.

The game even seems less laggy O.o

DravidDavid
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  #307243 15-Mar-2010 00:34
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ArcticSilver: Getting back on topic....

Could i ask if some thing could be done about Battlefield Bad Company 2 on Big Time.

I just plugged in my XT stick to find everything loads up quickly and properly. Without it most things will not load properly/at all.


Downloaded the Demo today.  Download went fine...But when I try to connect to EA, it just times out.

Made me sad Cry

Driftdamage
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  #307244 15-Mar-2010 01:31
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Still terribly slow, so slow it can't even manage to get my profile over half the time, even though my XT mobile can get it everytime.

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  #307422 15-Mar-2010 15:59
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this is annoying. my dl speed is less than 10kb/s on megaupload as a free user.

In Iran we have much better internet than here in NZ.

NZ should wake up and act like a modern country instead of a third world.


Sheagae
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  #307425 15-Mar-2010 16:00
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john12: this is annoying. my dl speed is less than 10kb/s on megaupload as a free user.

In Iran we have much better internet than here in NZ.

NZ should wake up and act like a modern country instead of a third world.


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