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Geek
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#308061 16-Mar-2010 23:13

if you are into youtube stuff, a good rule of thumb for watching a video faster, its best to use a download manager like IDM (the one i use) to download the video file from youtube and save it to your HD without waiting for it to load.

its faster that way. i do that. i dont wait for it to load. i just download it and use a FLV player to watch.

simple as that.

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john12

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Geek
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#308062 16-Mar-2010 23:18

as Xtra is known to be aggressive and notorious at managing all the traffics, its best to just download the video file off a website with a download manager and then watching it.

its more effecient and faster that way.

Driftdamage

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Master Geek

#308063 16-Mar-2010 23:20

I just ran some dns lookup tests using xtra and then google and the query times are within 2ms of each other, but google had 24 timeouts, xtra had 7. This is over 115 queries.

Guessing that google would be one of the more stable and connected dns servers of the lot of 'public' servers, those figures don't really paint that pretty of a picture.

john12

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Geek
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#308066 16-Mar-2010 23:27

keep in mind that Xtra DNS is local.

we are local to their dns server.

thats why it has less time outs anyway.

i use Google DNS and its good enough for me.

also you can try the other ones. some of them are fast.

Xtra DNS was very slow for me.

john12

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Geek
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#308067 16-Mar-2010 23:28

also OpenDNS is fast too.

Talkiet

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#308069 16-Mar-2010 23:38

john12: also OpenDNS is fast too.

Oh for goodness sake...

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm/6980

read it.

Using a different DNS server will ONLY get you DNS responses from a different source. It won't make your pages load any faster if it's returning the same results unless it has a significantly lower response time. (Latency + query time)

As has been pointed out obliquely to try and get you to find this out yourself, this means that pretty much ANY DNS server in NZ will outperform pretty much any DNS server elsewhere in the world.

The small number of milliseconds (1-4 perhaps) that a faster DNS server will give you are eaten up by the EXTRA 100+ milliseconds to get the response from offshore.

I said I wouldn't explain it, but your misinformation may make others think it's worth trying so I thought I better clear it up.

Now... IF you have some local DNS servers that respond as quickly or quicker than your ISP's, AND you can live without any ISP DNS trickery (pointing Telecom users at a youtube cache instead of overseas server), then fine.

If on the other hand your argument stops at "if the website loads fast enough for me, then it means its fast." then I'm afraid you aren't qualified to give out advice to anyone, EVEN on public forums - and that's saying something!

Cheers - N

ps. However if you could setup a caching DNS server on your LAN and point that to an upstream DNS server, then you may get some improvement for your regularly used sites.

Please note all comments are the product of my own brain and don't necessarily represent the position or opinions of my employer, previous employers, colleagues, friends or pets.

john12

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Geek
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#308071 16-Mar-2010 23:38

i just got this news from neowin. i dont know if this is good or bad for our internet. :/

i mean it can be abused as a power.

what you guys think?

http://www.neowin.net/news/new-zealand-implements-country-wide-government-internet-filter

Talkiet

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#308072 16-Mar-2010 23:40

john12: keep in mind that Xtra DNS is local.

we are local to their dns server.

thats why it has less time outs anyway.

i use Google DNS and its good enough for me.

also you can try the other ones. some of them are fast.

Xtra DNS was very slow for me.

Were you using the correct Telecom DNS servers? Are you aware there are at least 6 DNS servers in Telecom that will respond to public DNS queries (depending on what network you are on)?

Just let your router get it's DNS server from the PPP negotiation, and let your PC point at your router for DNS.

Cheers - N

Please note all comments are the product of my own brain and don't necessarily represent the position or opinions of my employer, previous employers, colleagues, friends or pets.

john12

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Geek
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#308075 16-Mar-2010 23:44

Talkiet: i think you are the one who is giving us the misinformation.

everyone who had this experience will tell you that you get faster browsing experience if you use a reliable and fast DNS server and it works for me.

i dont know what you are on about. maybe you had a bad day today or something.

but you are wrong.

Xtra also has a managed DNS server for big time users. im teling you from experience.

ArcticSilver

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#308078 16-Mar-2010 23:49

john12: Talkiet: i think you are the one who is giving us the misinformation.

everyone who had this experience will tell you that you get faster browsing experience if you use a reliable and fast DNS server and it works for me.

i dont know what you are on about. maybe you had a bad day today or something.

but you are wrong.

Xtra also has a managed DNS server for big time users. im teling you from experience.

He is not wrong.

You need to understand the fundamentals of DNS to realise how wrong you are.

DNS gets an address from a domain name. Ie if you want to go to www.google.co.nz dns will resolve that to its ip so you can access the site.

This is also cached locally.

This DOES NOT affect your loading speed of a page. The only thing it may effect is the look up time of a pages address (nothing will load until it is looked up). This is ms we are talking.

Driftdamage

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Master Geek

#308079 16-Mar-2010 23:51

john12: Talkiet: i think you are the one who is giving us the misinformation.

everyone who had this experience will tell you that you get faster browsing experience if you use a reliable and fast DNS server and it works for me.

i dont know what you are on about. maybe you had a bad day today or something.

but you are wrong.

Xtra also has a managed DNS server for big time users. im teling you from experience.

Do you have any actual hard data to back any of this up? I would love to get every last speed increase out of my bigtime, but from my hard data measurements, overseas DNS servers don't add up.

If they were truely that fantastic why would other ISPs who are not in the game of having managed data plans use them? It's because caching works! You really think every ISP in NZ has their own DNS just so they can be 'the man' and get the 'little guy' down or something?

john12

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#308081 16-Mar-2010 23:55

The rule of thumb tells me that Google is much bigger than any ISP in NZ and has more resources.

so its obvious for me that their DNS server is in much better quality than our DNS server in here.

and yes our ISPs in here dont care about their customers.

since when Xtra cared about us that this will be their second time?

yes, they all care about money. not quality for their customers.

Talkiet

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#308082 16-Mar-2010 23:58

john12: Talkiet: i think you are the one who is giving us the misinformation.

everyone who had this experience will tell you that you get faster browsing experience if you use a reliable and fast DNS server and it works for me.

i dont know what you are on about. maybe you had a bad day today or something.

but you are wrong.

Xtra also has a managed DNS server for big time users. im teling you from experience.

I urge anyone thinking about listening to this gent to do their own research first. I know I'm right and I have linked to recent empirical testing supporting me.

Unfortunately, unfounded and incorrect assertions get the same airplay around here.

John, download the test program from the link and test the DNS servers, then post your results - you may learn something in the process.

By the way, you are utterly wrong about Telecom having a managed DNS server for Bigtime users. I know this because I speak to the product managers and technical staff involved in Bigtime on a daily basis in my role at Telecom.

Cheers - N

Please note all comments are the product of my own brain and don't necessarily represent the position or opinions of my employer, previous employers, colleagues, friends or pets.

Talkiet

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#308083 16-Mar-2010 23:59

john12: The rule of thumb tells me that Google is much bigger than any ISP in NZ and has more resources.

so its obvious for me that their DNS server is in much better quality than our DNS server in here.

[snip].

Bigger? yes
More resources? yes.

Able to change the laws of physics? No.

Cheers - N

Please note all comments are the product of my own brain and don't necessarily represent the position or opinions of my employer, previous employers, colleagues, friends or pets.

john12

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#308085 17-Mar-2010 00:02

Talkiet : you got to be very simple to actually believe what they say :).

personally i believe that their DNS server is managed for us at least. like anything else.....

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