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  #267562 28-Oct-2009 08:23
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Ragnor:

Telecom has just invested a truckload of money into rolling out a 3G mobile network nationwide, rolling out ADSL2+/VSDL equipment in exchanges and cabinets and doing fibre to the cabinet.

History has shown state run monopolies tend to be bloated inefficient and wasteful, there's no competition to keep them in line.  The structual seperation of Telecom has been working well so far imo and the governments proposal for the NBN are pretty solid so far.  Telecom will not be able to run a vertically integrated retail and wholesale operation under the prosposed system the government has decided on.


I didnt say I want to return to a state run monopoly. I just want the current dominant player to be state owned, and to be not for profit. Let as many companies as want to compete, if they can do it cheaper than a company making no profit then surely that simply benefits us kiwis?





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  #267685 28-Oct-2009 13:14
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Lias: 

I didnt say I want to return to a state run monopoly. I just want the current dominant player to be state owned, and to be not for profit. Let as many companies as want to compete, if they can do it cheaper than a company making no profit then surely that simply benefits us kiwis?




 

Lias, this is a silly idea.  What company worth their salt would want to compete with an incumbent that is not required to make a profit?  How can a company compete with someone selling something below cost?  This would be a return to the days of close to zero competition.




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  #267925 29-Oct-2009 08:01
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cbrpilot:
Lias: 

I didnt say I want to return to a state run monopoly. I just want the current dominant player to be state owned, and to be not for profit. Let as many companies as want to compete, if they can do it cheaper than a company making no profit then surely that simply benefits us kiwis?




 

Lias, this is a silly idea.  What company worth their salt would want to compete with an incumbent that is not required to make a profit?  How can a company compete with someone selling something below cost?  This would be a return to the days of close to zero competition.


My theory that the incumbent would be inherently inefficient (it's a SoE.. need I say more), so there would b room for others with uber efficieny to make a profit.





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  #268009 29-Oct-2009 10:54
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I think you should read up on the government plan for broadband, it's a private/public partnership... the government can't afford to build a FTTH network by itself.

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  #268355 29-Oct-2009 22:46

Ragnor: I think you should read up on the government plan for broadband, it's a private/public partnership... the government can't afford to build a FTTH network by itself.


 a link to this plan would be helpful... though i don't see how this has any relevance to 'international bandwidth' ???

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  #268485 30-Oct-2009 11:17
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That was a response to Lias, we got pretty far off the original topic.

International bandwidth isn't that much of a concern:

- The price of IP transit has dropped a lot in the last 12 months, Southern Cross Cable and resellers have been lowered prices and the high AU and NZ dollar vs the US has helped a lot.

- Kordia got funding to do the NZ part of the PPC cable (that new one that links Australia to Guam then on to the US).

- The French government is funding a submarine cable in French polynesia that will link to Australia and New Zealand.


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  #268490 30-Oct-2009 11:22
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Ragnor: That was a response Lias, we got pretty far off the original topic.

International bandwidth isn't that much of a concern:

- The price of IP transit has dropped a lot in the last 12 months, Southern Cross Cable and resellers have been lowered prices and the high AU and NZ dollar vs the US has helped a lot.

- Kordia got funding to do the NZ part of the PPC cable (that new one that links Australia to Guam then on to the US).

- The French government is funding a submarine cable in French polynesia that will link to Australia and New Zealand.



International transit is still expensive! However, its coming down.

The main concern for me is the price Telecom charge for National transit! Its almost the same price as International transit!?!?




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  #268514 30-Oct-2009 11:57
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Yeah it would be fascinating to see the breakdown of data usage per GB like we see the breakdown of a litre of gas

http://www.fuelpricemonitor.co.nz/demo.html

http://www.aa.co.nz/motoring/owning/running-costs/petrolwatch/Documents/How%20petrol%20price%20is%20calculated.pdf

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  #268702 30-Oct-2009 22:48
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Ragnor: I think you should read up on the government plan for broadband, it's a private/public partnership... the government can't afford to build a FTTH network by itself.


yes well believe it or not they are a few dollars in debt probably the only thing they can afford atm is teh idea of a FTTH network DX

its gonna take alot of thinking though cause telecom holds most of our dsl network so when people get proper dates for completeion they will stop expanding their dsl plans and telecom will be gtg for server space lol. but on the other hand any one who is smartish will switch to Fiber and telecom will have to buy its way in where as telsra already has parts wired up.

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Sounddude: International transit is still expensive! However, its coming down.

The main concern for me is the price Telecom charge for National transit! Its almost the same price as International transit!?!?

That is a problem.  I'm surprised competition hasn't sorted this out; but what about Telecom's peering initiatives? Has this not reduced or removed the requirement for domestic transit?

Obviously if international:domestic transit equilibrium is reached, you can just start sending your domestic via the international paths ;).

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