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Reply # 19000 23-Aug-2005 18:39
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charris1955: W-CDMA is true 3G , 1x and 1xEV-DO is path to 3G.


They are all true 3G by ITU standards and I especially think its ridiculous to claim that EVDO is not 3G.




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  Reply # 19011 23-Aug-2005 21:01
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charris1955: W-CDMA is true 3G , 1x and 1xEV-DO is path to 3G.


They are all true 3G by ITU standards and I especially think its ridiculous to claim that EVDO is not 3G.


If you recall when Telecom launched CDMA 1X they claimed it was a 3G network - it has surprised me Telecom haven't come out claiming this again.

The issue here is to do with voice termination, and the arguement that a voice call carried on a EV-DO phone is still carried over a standard 2.5G CDMA channel.

The whole issue of different termination rates for 2G and 3G network is a load of absolute crap created by somebody who has 0 braincells. Sit down and think about it..

NOW -> Most customers using 2G/2.5G network average call cost is somewhere around the 28c mark.

(proposed) SOON -> Calls cost more to a 3G network than a 2/2.5G network, say 18c for 2G, 28c for 3G. This means that the average call cost is still going to be around the 20c mark due to low 3G uptake.

2YRs from now -> High 3G uptake, average termination rate has now gone up from say 20c to 25c as more 3G customers buy phones.

How can the average cost increasing actually benefit customers?

There is also the issue of determining when a phone is a 3G phone and when it's not - how can a phone company possibly know how much to charge a customer for a landline call when they have no way of knowing is the call is going to terminate on a 3G or 2G network?

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Reply # 19030 24-Aug-2005 08:33
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The Telecom branding of T3G relates to 1xRTT and EVDO.

Yawn, yawn, yawn.... CDMA is not 2G, 2.5G, 2.75G or even 2.96789G. IT IS 3G - yes shouting now. If you don't agree then obviously - Qualcomm, CDG, OHG, ITU, ITU-T, Gartner, Yankee Group, Lucent, Nortel, KDDI, 3GPP and TIA are all wrong.....but then Isaac Newton was almost burnt at the stake for heresy.

CDMA One (the Telecom launch network) was considered 2.5G. CDMA 2000 (1xRTT, 3xRTT (EVDO)) is considered 3G.


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  Reply # 19032 24-Aug-2005 08:40
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From here on in, can we please create a seperate thread if anyone wishes to discuss the merits of what is or isnt a 3G technology, and leave this thread to its original topic of "How Much To Pay For 3G".

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