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  Reply # 303106 28-Feb-2010 20:44
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Stuve: This thread is always going to have the same debate. It is obvious that having a 99% fiber backhull has it's advantages and that vodafones 3g network is more overloaded. But yeah you could go on in circles for months on this one.


I'm sure Telecom would love it if 99% of there?cellsites had fibre backhaul!



Vodafone also have cells with fiber back haul

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  Reply # 303122 28-Feb-2010 21:18

As JohnR says, we have fibre to cellsites. Claiming to be the "only" network that has that is just silly (oh and inaccurate). You know who you are.

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  Reply # 303124 28-Feb-2010 21:30
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Stuve: This thread is always going to have the same debate. It is obvious that having a 99% fiber backhull has it's advantages and that vodafones 3g network is more overloaded. But yeah you could go on in circles for months on this one.


The word should be more loaded not over loaded thanks

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  Reply # 303128 28-Feb-2010 21:51

sbiddle:
Stuve: This thread is always going to have the same debate. It is obvious that having a 99% fiber backhull has it's advantages and that vodafones 3g network is more overloaded. But yeah you could go on in circles for months on this one.


I'm sure Telecom would love it if 99% of there cellsites had fibre backhaul!




Telecom has only about 6 cell sites in the XT network without Fiber, soo.... Well I am sure they have over 600 sites, now 6 into 600 is 99%. I remember reading that they have something like 1300+ cell sites, so I am sorry but I should have put something like 99.94% 

I could be wrong, but when they built out the new sites there was only supposed to be 6 without fiber. 

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  Reply # 303130 28-Feb-2010 21:54

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sbiddle:
Stuve: This thread is always going to have the same debate. It is obvious that having a 99% fiber backhull has it's advantages and that vodafones 3g network is more overloaded. But yeah you could go on in circles for months on this one.


I'm sure Telecom would love it if 99% of there?cellsites had fibre backhaul!



Vodafone also have cells with fiber back haul


I firmly agree with this statement, Vodafone has?Fiber?to their?cell sites.?Wherever this cellsite is (perhaps @ HQ) I am sure it serves well.?

But to the extent of how many sites... it can be firmly reflected in the reallly low ping in the test abouve right? I mean with fibre to that cellsite you must have one heck of a 'quality' backbone.




As JohnR says, we have fibre to cellsites. Claiming to be the "only" network that has that is just silly (oh and inaccurate). You know who you are. 


What was the point in this statement? Who said 'only'? Was it to state that you might have more than one cell site with fiber? Okay, Ill let you have the site in Wellington which is pointing to your offices.





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What was the point in this statement? Who said 'only'? Was it to state that you might have more than one cell site with fiber? Okay, Ill let you have the site in Wellington which is pointing to your offices.



Oh, you mean that tower that doesn't give 3G coverage in the Voda Lambton Quay store?




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  Reply # 303152 28-Feb-2010 23:39
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Reeeoowww, lol, some entertainment for a Sunday night.



I'l like to see the 18Mbps in person, I have used a sole hacked device with diversity antennae on an HSPA mast and managed to squeaze 14Mbps.

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  Reply # 303189 1-Mar-2010 07:59
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Stuve:
johnr:
sbiddle:
Stuve: This thread is always going to have the same debate. It is obvious that having a 99% fiber backhull has it's advantages and that vodafones 3g network is more overloaded. But yeah you could go on in circles for months on this one.


I'm sure Telecom would love it if 99% of there?cellsites had fibre backhaul!



Vodafone also have cells with fiber back haul


I firmly agree with this statement, Vodafone has?Fiber?to their?cell sites.?Wherever this cellsite is (perhaps @ HQ) I am sure it serves well.?

But to the extent of how many sites... it can be firmly reflected in the reallly low ping in the test abouve right? I mean with fibre to that cellsite you must have one heck of a 'quality' backbone.




Vodafone have fibre to a large number of cellsites. If you do a Google search you'll find links to their deal with Vector that rolled out fibre to sites across most of Auckland a couple of years ago.

Telcom DO NOT have fibre to anywhere close to 99% of their sites. At the XT launch fibre was deployed to most sites within 13 cities in New Zealand (NZ has 16 cities). Outside these regions all sites are typically E1's for connectivity. There is also not necessarily a noticeable ping difference in a fibre vs E1 site as the big delay occurs in the air interface and not the backhaul.

The initial speedtest is also no proof of fibre, a typical site that's non fibre (Both XT and Vodafone) these days would have upwards of 6 E1's delivering 12Mbps baukhaul so there are no backhaul constraints from either network on such a site that are restricting HSPA speeds. Fibre becomes useful when you want to go HSPA+ as delivering upwards of 10+ E1's to a site just for data backhaul become unrealistic and fibre becomes far more logical.

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  Reply # 303190 1-Mar-2010 08:01
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Stuve:

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What was the point in this statement? Who said 'only'? Was it to state that you might have more than one cell site with fiber? Okay, Ill let you have the site in Wellington which is pointing to your offices.



Oh, you mean that tower that doesn't give 3G coverage in the Voda Lambton Quay store?


There is 3G coverage in the store, the problem is it'll keep dropping back to GSM due to a known network issue!


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  Reply # 303212 1-Mar-2010 09:30
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Vodafone also have PTN to 100s of cells

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  Reply # 304426 4-Mar-2010 14:42
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In the next few weeks I intend on repeating speed tests on the XT network and Vodafone 3G in Dunedin. Vodafone have made some changes to their network locally (sorry I don't know the technical details) which apparently should result in faster speeds.

The iPhone SpeedTest app is what I used last time, and is (I realise) a cheap and dirty way to gauge speed. Hell, it might not even be accurate (debatable as far as I'm aware).

Does anyone have any suggestions on what else to use instead of or as well as SpeedTest for the purpose of this testing?

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The problem with your methodology is that you will be using an iPhone. This specific handsets doesn't support Vodafone 3G Extended, so you will be testing on their 2100 MHz network - and the iPhone has terrible support for 2100 MHz, and overall a not so good radio anyway.

You should test using some hardware that supports 850/900 MHz such as some USB modem, not the iPhone.





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  Reply # 304442 4-Mar-2010 15:46
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ahmad: In the next few weeks I intend on repeating speed tests on the XT network and Vodafone 3G in Dunedin. Vodafone have made some changes to their network locally (sorry I don't know the technical details) which apparently should result in faster speeds.

The iPhone SpeedTest app is what I used last time, and is (I realise) a cheap and dirty way to gauge speed. Hell, it might not even be accurate (debatable as far as I'm aware).

Does anyone have any suggestions on what else to use instead of or as well as SpeedTest for the purpose of this testing?

Thanks.


Actually, to complement what I wrote, don't bother testing. This was done before, just read Steve's review of both networks with a device that actually works...





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freitasm: The problem with your methodology is that you will be using an iPhone. This specific handsets doesn't support Vodafone 3G Extended, so you will be testing on their 2100 MHz network - and the iPhone has terrible support for 2100 MHz, and overall a not so good radio anyway.

You should test using some hardware that supports 850/900 MHz such as some USB modem, not the iPhone.

Mauricio, I'm not comparing "speeds on XT vs. speeds on Vodafone". I don't have the knowledge to do that but as you say it has been discussed already by someone far more capable.

However I am one of quite a fair number of iPhone users in New Zealand, and my aim to is compare "data speed on an iPhone in Dunedin - XT vs. Vodafone 3G".

It is a very specific study but also considerably important to many interested iPhone users in Dunedin and also the rest of New Zealand.

Yes it's device specific, but there is a large pool of users with this device.

Yes it's only a snapshot, but most of us understand that.

I don't think the methodology is particularly flawed because the limitations are well recognised. I'm just looking at how to do the best job possible.

Re: 900Mhz Vodafone coverage - even if the next iteration of the iPhone was to support 900Mhz, I would not see any benefit as there is no coverage in central Dunedin.

And johnr says there have been some changes made which should/could see faster speeds on 2100Mhz. Hence the re-look.

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  Reply # 304757 5-Mar-2010 13:42
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ahmad: I don't think the methodology is particularly flawed because the limitations are well recognised. I'm just looking at how to do the best job possible.


The limitations are well recognised by you, me and others here. But John Doe on the street uses an iPhone and every time it fails he blames the network, when we know here the handset itself has some problems...





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