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  Reply # 316176 8-Apr-2010 12:39
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NZHerald reporters are amongst Geekzone readership.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10637056

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  Reply # 316184 8-Apr-2010 12:56
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Just to let you all know that the issues to the top of the north island are now restored to normal :)

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  Reply # 316208 8-Apr-2010 13:52
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langers1972: As a customer of 'the other one' (thank God) I know there are choices but you could hardly say 2Degrees is a direct competitor to VF or Telecom yet until it has monthly plans and 3G so what is it if not a duopoly?

And to make matters worse, both networks overcharge and 'give away' next to nothing for the price you pay.

Coming from the UK, the 'choice' in all aspects of telecoms here is nothing short of pathetic


could you clairfy what you mean?

The UK has lots of options - but most of those are MVNOs.
NZ also has quite a few MVNOs (like Telstra, Slingshot, Black & White, Orcon, CallPlus, Digital Island, etc over here). 
 
They rely on someone elses network to work, so any network outages to the MNO effects them too.


AFAIK, The UK only has 4 (four) Mobile Network Operators (MNOs).   1) Orange/TMobile  2)  O2, 3) Vodafone, and 4) 3.

Considering our poulation is around 1/10 that of the UK, for us to have 3 (three) MNOs  (well, 2 and a half at the moment since 2D does roam on voda for some of it's customers)   is pretty impressive IMO.

In fact, check this list of MNOs in Europe.  Very few countires have more than 3 MNOs, and almost none have more than 4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_Europe

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  Reply # 316211 8-Apr-2010 14:04
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Yes, just as a random exercise I've had a look at the first offering on the carphonewarehouse.com site.

HTC Desire (can't get it here except Parallel Import) on Vodafone 24 month plan (30 quid a month which relatively equates to $30):

Handset is Free ($1300 here Parallel Import before you even think about plan charges)
Minutes Included 300 anytime any network
Data Included 500Mb anytime any network

Find anything that compares to that in NZ on any of the networks, don't even get me started on Broadband

PS, this is off topic so maybe a good idea to quit and start on a new thread

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  Reply # 316214 8-Apr-2010 14:24
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langers1972: Yes, just as a random exercise I've had a look at the first offering on the carphonewarehouse.com site.

HTC Desire (can't get it here except Parallel Import) on Vodafone 24 month plan (30 quid a month which relatively equates to $30):

Handset is Free ($1300 here Parallel Import before you even think about plan charges)
Minutes Included 300 anytime any network
Data Included 500Mb anytime any network

Find anything that compares to that in NZ on any of the networks, don't even get me started on Broadband

PS, this is off topic so maybe a good idea to quit and start on a new thread

what sort of f'd up exchange rate are you using where 30 pounds relatively equates to 30 dollars?  30 pounds is more like 60-75 dollars (fluctuated quite a lot in recent months but not so much as to get to 1-1 ratio) 

and why would you expect a paralell imported handset price to even remotely compare to a UK bulk buying provider who also gives subsidys for purchasing a plan? It is such an abusrd comparison.

I'd be surprised if even Telecom or Voda NZ had the purchasing power with Nokia that UK providers do.  A Uk provider will sell 10 times as many devices as the NZ provider - so the price they pay for any given handset is going to be waaay lower than an NZ provider.

and what the hell is "any network" data?


Besides, your complaint was in relation to choice of networks, not price.  My response was that your choice of providers was not as great as you might think because you are comparing UK MNOs+MVNOs  with only Nz MNOs - which is an entirely different comparison

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  Reply # 316224 8-Apr-2010 14:41
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langers1972: Yes, just as a random exercise I've had a look at the first offering on the carphonewarehouse.com site.

HTC Desire (can't get it here except Parallel Import) on Vodafone 24 month plan (30 quid a month which relatively equates to $30):

Handset is Free ($1300 here Parallel Import before you even think about plan charges)
Minutes Included 300 anytime any network
Data Included 500Mb anytime any network

Find anything that compares to that in NZ on any of the networks, don't even get me started on Broadband

PS, this is off topic so maybe a good idea to quit and start on a new thread


$1300 is probably the most expensive parallel importing site, $749NZD from Clove.co.uk Shipped

why would you lock yourself into a 500mb mobile broadband plan for 24months? that 500mb is likely to be gone in 10 days forcing you to pay for overage charges

the UK is bigger, has a lot larger population, is a lot closer to the servers etc, so you can't compare NZ which is a dot in the ocean to the UK 

Also I fail to see why you are on the Telecom mobile forum, if you are "As a customer of 'the other one" sounds like you are just trollin 




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  Reply # 316226 8-Apr-2010 14:45
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I'm not using any exchange rate as it's irrelevant as if you live in the UK you pay pounds and here you pay dollars which is why I said 'relatively' as $30 as a percentage of my annual income is roughly equivalent to what 30 pounds would be to my UK salary.

Even if you pointlessly took the literal exchange rate, on VFNZ for $60 a month you get 120 anytime minutes and 600 texts (I forgot to mention that the VFUK plan I quoted had unlimited texts to any network too)

Your point about the number of carriers is valid if they all worked but my original point is that they don't so you're left with more like 1 and 1/2. Plus it doesn't matter how many networks you have if they all have pretty dismal offerings

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  Reply # 316250 8-Apr-2010 15:50
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Telecom now says 200 cellsites were affected at the height of this morning's Auckland/Northland outage (up from 126 estimate this morning). Latest update of NBR's article includes Gen-i's latest explanation to corporate clients.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/xt-outages-hit-auckland-121178




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  Reply # 316257 8-Apr-2010 16:06
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langers1972: I'm not using any exchange rate as it's irrelevant as if you live in the UK you pay pounds and here you pay dollars which is why I said 'relatively' as $30 as a percentage of my annual income is roughly equivalent to what 30 pounds would be to my UK salary.


HiJacked - but, on that basis a pound would be the same as a euro which it is not the same device is cheaper in euros than pounds.

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  Reply # 316279 8-Apr-2010 17:22
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Only read about this outage now. Must be good luck living in between Taupo and Auckland. Very rarely suffer any XT outages in Hamilton. Good to hear the latest issue was resolved reasonably quickly.




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  Reply # 316309 8-Apr-2010 19:14
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Anyone else get a PM asking to be interviewed about today's issue?

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Reply # 316353 8-Apr-2010 21:08
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Yes we are having some issues with customers north of the north island (including AKL).


Auckland wasn't north of the north island last time i looked... the three kings islands and norfolk islands perhaps.

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  Reply # 316374 8-Apr-2010 21:51
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Regs: Auckland wasn't north of the north island last time i looked... the three kings islands and norfolk islands perhaps.

Tongue out


akia: And for those people before you mock me, the "top of the north island" if that makes more sense for us all ;)

*sigh*

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  Reply # 316387 8-Apr-2010 23:41
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n00dy:
langers1972: I'm not using any exchange rate as it's irrelevant as if you live in the UK you pay pounds and here you pay dollars which is why I said 'relatively' as $30 as a percentage of my annual income is roughly equivalent to what 30 pounds would be to my UK salary.


HiJacked - but, on that basis a pound would be the same as a euro which it is not the same device is cheaper in euros than pounds.


Which is equal to a peso.. Which is equal to a rand... Which is equal a yuan..... 

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