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  Reply # 31464 25-Mar-2006 00:19
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Yeah the next 12 months are going to get real interesting.

WOW we live in such exciting times - go on a limb and say like the falling of a certain wall - well perhaps not so much so as a lot of pain and anguish there.

To be in Telecom / Vodafones marketing departments they must be on ledges waiting to jump or be pushed.




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Reply # 31468 25-Mar-2006 00:33
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We can now hope that Vodafone will release a too-good-to be true counteroffer.. just like Australia's caps maybe.. Hint Hint.. They matched the "3 min hour" and eventually caved in to a SMS deal (oh it's called "TXT" here)

Then we will be rolling in Delight!

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Reply # 31469 25-Mar-2006 00:38
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Can't get enough of the smilies? :P

It will be great if the above happened.




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  Reply # 31470 25-Mar-2006 00:43
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Yep love those smily's

Its amazing who is awake this hour of the day.




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  Reply # 31471 25-Mar-2006 00:44
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Yeah we have to wait and see what happens as Vodafone have said HSDPA mobile connect card is later on this year and they will have to offer some capped or deal for so many $$$ per month and not a per mb plan.






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Reply # 31475 25-Mar-2006 00:53
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I'm off for the night... partner had a late night shift.

Instead of trolling/posting in the Telecom about Vodafone... perhaps we should create a thread in the Voda forum to discuss it. Otherwise it may follow the fate of many threads and turn into a Telecom vs Vodafone slugfest.




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Reply # 31479 25-Mar-2006 01:01
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Exactly... Yawn....

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  Reply # 33010 14-Apr-2006 15:41
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Wheres the Telstra/Vodafone counterattack deal?Frown





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  Reply # 33011 14-Apr-2006 16:05
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The answer lays here

Commerce Commission to investigate Vodafone Application for Interconnection with Telecom’s fixed network

Simply Telecom are offering something no one else can as they control the local phone loop.  (I better add unless you are in Wellington or Christchurch so there is room to move in those two places by Telstra only.)

One anser above or unbundling - Telecoms answer is to get in first like T3G they know whats coming so the jump in and use there monolpy status.




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  Reply # 33015 14-Apr-2006 17:21
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The commerce commission have to rule in favour of Vodafone because Telecom have now launched the identical service. All Telecom have done is stall Vodafone so they could get to market first.

Having said that if I were Telecom I would do exactly the same thing - Telecom have also set the benchmark by capping the cost of PSTN -> Mobile diversions at $10 per month, no doubt well below what Vodafone would have been aiming at.


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  Reply # 33033 15-Apr-2006 09:21
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Wonder if the Commerce Commission will give Telecom the usual 18 month lead time while it mulls over the determination?






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  Reply # 33034 15-Apr-2006 10:35
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juha: Wonder if the Commerce Commission will give Telecom the usual 18 month lead time while it mulls over the determination?


THe big difference here vs other scenarios is that Vodafone could potentially launch their product tomorrow if they wanted. The sticking point is over whether calls from a Telecom PSTN number to another local Vodafone PSTN number is infact a free call due to the fact it terminates on a cellular network. If Vodafone did infact roll out a service before a ruling is given it would be very interesting to see what Telecom sort of stunt Telecom would pull - would they be crazy enough to start billing their customers for calling what they think is a local number? In this respect I think Vodafone have the upper hand particularly when they can point out that Telecom's new plan is offering a virtually identical product.

The whole debate is much bigger than this however, both Vodafone and Telecom keep taking about "convergence" - why do we really need a home line and a mobile to actually be linked together? The mobile network could replace the PSTN today if it wasn't for the fact companies like Vodafone insist of running a business model based around extremely high termination costs for calls. Telecom have called Vodafone's bluff so far - maybe Vodafone need to look at the models of non CPP mobile networks and offer per call terminations of somewhere around 20c per call.


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  Reply # 33035 15-Apr-2006 11:01
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sbiddle:
THe big difference here vs other scenarios is that Vodafone could potentially launch their product tomorrow if they wanted. The sticking point is over whether calls from a Telecom PSTN number to another local Vodafone PSTN number is infact a free call due to the fact it terminates on a cellular network. If Vodafone did infact roll out a service before a ruling is given it would be very interesting to see what Telecom sort of stunt Telecom would pull - would they be crazy enough to start billing their customers for calling what they think is a local number? In this respect I think Vodafone have the upper hand particularly when they can point out that Telecom's new plan is offering a virtually identical product.


I don't see why Telecom wouldn't bill Vodafone customers mobile rates for those calls. First, there's no immediate recourse for Vodafone; the regulator has no powers to intervene in a commercial dispute, and only takes a long-term view on competition issues. That is, the Commission will assess afterwards if Telecom was using its market power to stymie competition and then act.

But let's say that there will be official intervention at some stage. Even then it would make sense for Telecom to take a hard line and bill Vodafone customers, so as to provide a disincentive for them to use the service. If you know that you'll be billed mobile rates for a local call, would you get the service or if you did, use it? If the government steps in and stops Telecom from billing Vodafone customers, refunds are unlikely. There has been no breach of commercial or consumer law and the telco act has no penalty provisions built into it.

The whole debate is much bigger than this however, both Vodafone and Telecom keep taking about "convergence" - why do we really need a home line and a mobile to actually be linked together? The mobile network could replace the PSTN today if it wasn't for the fact companies like Vodafone insist of running a business model based around extremely high termination costs for calls. Telecom have called Vodafone's bluff so far - maybe Vodafone need to look at the models of non CPP mobile networks and offer per call terminations of somewhere around 20c per call.


You said it...

This is a very smart move by Telecom. Hit Vodafone where it hurts the most...




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  Reply # 33036 15-Apr-2006 11:03
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And talking about the new Freedom plan, has anyone else noticed that Telecom's automated apology for the delay is looping? I've had five calls already, two this morning.




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sbiddle: I've already had a friend contact me today wanting to know the cost of building up an Asterisk PBX to interface his 2 home lines. Basically he could save a couple of hundred dollars per month on his mobile by setting up both home numbers as FCN from his 027 mobile. You then dial in and get a dialtone to dialout on the 2nd line for free local calls or toll calls at normal landline rates. You could also use a VoIP provider like iTalk or MyNetFone for outgoing calls and it would be even cheaper.




I have a Philips SBX 6 2 line 6 extension phone system.  Anyone got any ideas how to interface it to a VOIP system to allow me to >027 to >home phone to >VOIP via a Woosh modem without having to use a computer, or is that too big an ask??

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