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Topic # 7722 5-May-2006 08:42
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iinet Australian version of ihug - price for a 1.5m down 256k up with 17.5GB on peak and 17.5GB off peak = $119.95 per month

Ihug NZ price for 3.5m down 512k up with 20GB peak and 40GB off peak = $99.95

Do the math folks LLU is not the magic bullet people think it will be.

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  Reply # 34951 5-May-2006 10:09
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Remember in Australia you also need to pay the Telstra line rental on top. This won't necessarily be the case in NZ since Naked ADSL connections will be available.

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  Reply # 34960 5-May-2006 10:41
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Naked DSL, interesting term.  That said alot of people have been asking about it for a while.  If everyone in the house has a mobile, and noone uses the landline, why have it.  Get rid of the number and just keep the physical line for dsl.


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Reply # 34961 5-May-2006 10:43
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Naked DSL does not imply that there will not be charge from Telecom to the ISP for use of the copper local loop.

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  Reply # 34969 5-May-2006 11:16
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Jama: Naked DSL does not imply that there will not be charge from Telecom to the ISP for use of the copper local loop.

But it does mean you won't have to pay an extra $40 odd per month to get a phoneline if you don't want it.

Naked DSL circuits will hurt Telecom a lot more than the simple ULL and it's something I was surprised the government actually regulated since it is still uncommon overseas in countries with ULL.

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  Reply # 34971 5-May-2006 11:49
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It might be a feather in the cap for those proposing unbunbling, but its a sad day for those who are of the opinion that infrastructure counts as well. Dont know if major corps like TelstraClear would now invest in NZ, although Telstra's (aussie) interest in the NZ market would be more than usual now, as it would become a profitable market.

It would be intersting to see in coming years how many companies actually invest in the infrastructure and how much is actually invested in getting systems *talking* to Telecom.

I saw on NZ herald, Callplus/orcon/Ihug has some plans for NZ market but what was stopping them before? Revenue returns and less uptake ?? If yes, how much time would these companies take to get that revenue back in the market to introduce new services.

Although NZ would look in the OECD market, but I just hope all the companies get their act together and actually invest and introduce some new and exiciting services.

Having said that I would like to see my 3.5Mbps speed jump to 8Mpbs (atleast), with no data caps and still paying $60 for it... I dont want a lot, its reasonable, in'it?

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  Reply # 34977 5-May-2006 13:28

Jama: Naked DSL does not imply that there will not be charge from Telecom to the ISP for use of the copper local loop.

I was under the impression that the rental charge will be set by the commerce commission

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  Reply # 35000 5-May-2006 14:43
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I saw on NZ herald, Callplus/orcon/Ihug has some plans for NZ market but what was stopping them before? Revenue returns and less uptake ??

Their investment plans primarily revolve around finding a big importing company who is unfairly charging for the new hardware required in rolling out their own DSLAMS etc....

SO their budget is directed towards media bribes and lobbying so the "importing company" can only charge $1 per km of fibre and $2 per DLSAM.

This will take a furher 2 years before someone caves and THEN their "plans for investment" will bear fruit... hurray!

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  Reply # 35007 5-May-2006 15:44
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Comparing to Aussie is one story, but in the UK, LLU has done wonders - check out  24Mbps unlimited ADSL for $NZ 70.  In the UK you still have to pay for a BT phone line, but with the no free local calls option it's only about $NZ 25 or so.  Factoring in higher wages people get in the UK, broadband is very affordable there.

Infrastructure investment will be the big down-side of LLU, I think - it may end up like the power industry where everyone is squeezing all they can out of the existing infrastructure and no-one willing to invest unless it's totally necessary.

I guess it depends on how many companies will be competing in the market.  I guess the good broadband in the UK is a reflection of a big market with lots of competition, plus a relatively dense population.  It'll take a year or two I think for any effects to show over here and it'll take an investor with deep pockets to rival Telecom, I think.  Here's hoping enough companies will think it worthwhile - I guess it all depends on what the charges are exactly and then running the numbers.

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  Reply # 35050 5-May-2006 21:42
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 There are two types of unbundling in the UK: fully unbundled where the unbundler takes over the line rental and can provide a phone service if they choose, and shared access where BT continues to charge line rental and provide the phone service.

 LLU pioneers Easynet have offered fully unbundled DSL-only lines from the start but they're a more expensive business service. You can get combined phone and DSL service with no BT line rental from Bulldog, and retailer Carphone Warehouse are launching a combined broadband/phone service with inclusive calls for UKP20.99 a month including line rental (service is up to 8Mbps DL, 40GB cap, virtually unlimited national and international calls).

 LLU in the UK is about 4 years old and has really only gathered momentum with consumers in the last 18 months.

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