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  # 450391 21-Mar-2011 14:36
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Telecom have been promising vdsl for years.

I don't believe they will offer it until I see it.

There must still be other regulatory issues. They are losing money daily by not offering it now.



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  # 450405 21-Mar-2011 15:42
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Bit like our Fibre in Aussie .... I'm sure they will get there eventually. The politics and working out issues with Telstra are are big bottlnecks here.

 
 
 
 


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  # 450425 21-Mar-2011 16:42
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wreck90: Telecom have been promising vdsl for years.

I don't believe they will offer it until I see it.

There must still be other regulatory issues. They are losing money daily by not offering it now.


Of course there are regulatory issues when the govt is still screwing around talking about handing out money to build stuff. It all moves really really slowly in govt land.

I would love vdsl for some more upload speed, but I have a feeling that the plans will be unsuitable and expensive and the requirement for an analog phoneline will hang around for a very long time till there are naked plans




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  # 450485 21-Mar-2011 20:21
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wreck90: Telecom have been promising vdsl for years.

I don't believe they will offer it until I see it.

There must still be other regulatory issues. They are losing money daily by not offering it now.


Christchurch earthquake work is more important and is taking priority over many other projects at the moment.

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  # 450554 21-Mar-2011 23:02
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aussiedean: Bit like our Fibre in Aussie .... I'm sure they will get there eventually. The politics and working out issues with Telstra are are big bottlnecks here.


Hasn't fibre been available in parts of Oz for some time now? I even received a newsletter from the Node about the free increased speed a while a go. Pitty I am back in NZ.

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  # 450580 22-Mar-2011 06:00
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scensation:
aussiedean: Bit like our Fibre in Aussie .... I'm sure they will get there eventually. The politics and working out issues with Telstra are are big bottlnecks here.


Hasn't fibre been available in parts of Oz for some time now? I even received a newsletter from the Node about the free increased speed a while a go. Pitty I am back in NZ.


Trial networks went live in a few areas (parts of Tasmania and Victoria) last year.


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  # 450631 22-Mar-2011 09:41
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wreck90: Telecom have been promising vdsl for years.

I don't believe they will offer it until I see it.

There must still be other regulatory issues. They are losing money daily by not offering it now.


VDSL2 capable cards have been in cabinets and running trial services to residential homes since mid-2009.

The commercial wholesale product was launched last year and is sat there for any ISP that wants it to take up. I think the fact that not just Telecom but none of the other ISP's have pushed VDSL2 means that they have done their research and realised that not enough customers want to pay more for faster speeds at the moment (including in that the initial install costs for a splitter and the more expensive modems).

 
 
 
 




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  # 450695 22-Mar-2011 12:06
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Thanks to all that replied .... much appreiciated

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  # 450702 22-Mar-2011 12:27
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Cymro: 
The commercial wholesale product was launched last year and is sat there for any ISP that wants it to take up. I think the fact that not just Telecom but none of the other ISP's have pushed VDSL2 means that they have done their research and realised that not enough customers want to pay more for faster speeds at the moment (including in that the initial install costs for a splitter and the more expensive modems).


Especially considering customers wouldn't even get faster actual speeds during peak times. I'm not going to pay MORE for a faster sync rate, if I only get the same speeds during peak usage times as ADSL2.
 

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  # 450770 22-Mar-2011 15:20
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So , basically VDSL2 is not that great due to backbone limitations, and will be priced at a level that only businesses will consider.

I find it strange, why telecom are even bothering with vdsl2. They've spent a bunch of cash on the infrastructure, yet deem it too unprofitable to offer to customers.


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  # 450780 22-Mar-2011 15:29
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wreck90: So , basically VDSL2 is not that great due to backbone limitations, and will be priced at a level that only businesses will consider.

I find it strange, why telecom are even bothering with vdsl2. They've spent a bunch of cash on the infrastructure, yet deem it too unprofitable to offer to customers.



I'm not sure the backhaul considerations are the actual stumbling block (VDSL2 services are dimensioned at 96Kbps/user as standard) it's probably proving that having a 40Mbps sync speed make any noticable difference to having 4Mbps when you are doing things like reading web pages or watching non-HD streams.

The improved upstream is another story, lots of benefits there and oodles of unused asynchronus bandwidth, would really suit multi-user households or small businesses.

Then again, VDSL2 might be a different proposition if UFB wasn't looming on the horizon to eventually replace it.

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  # 450822 22-Mar-2011 16:34
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The speculation is bit premature imo.

The wholesale vdsl2 product is still very new... ISP's are still trialling it out and have to do work on there side for billing, staff training, updating marketing/website, planning for more domestic/international transit etc etc.

Backhaul, handover for the EUBA ADSL2+ service which I assume is also used for VDSL2 doesn't appear to be an issue (unlike the old ATM network used for pre EUBA DSL) currently.

eg: I think the average number of lines in each cabinet is ~300, the cabinet has GbE (and multiple GbE for more customers) to the Telecom NGN. 

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