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Reply # 39719 26-Jun-2006 20:32
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bradstewart: I use the new Nokia Music Manger to convert mp3s to AAC 128kbps which average 4-500Kb in size. Sound fine when using headset. I have 900 songs on my 512Mb card


I rip directly from CD to 192kbps AAC, and my songs average about 6Mb, so I have no idea how you managed to get 128kbps AAC files down to 0.5Mb. The fact that you're converting from one codec to another shouldn't acheive any additional compression, although doing this is a no-no anyway. You must always encode music straight from the uncompressed source and, frankly, I don't believe for a minute that you could get a 3 - 4 minute song down to 0.5Mb and have it 'sound fine'. If that were true, then noone would ever buy a 30Gb iPod!

One of the unfortunate side effects of the digital music age is the observation that more and more people are sacrificing quality audio reproduction in favour of cramming more and more heavily compressed rubbish onto tiny flash memory cards. If we really do have technological progress, then we should be enjoying better audio quality, not worse.

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Reply # 39725 26-Jun-2006 20:43
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Felix:

alasta, I appreciate that... I personally do not buy music, aside from records for mixing... but, if I were still interested in maximizing the quality to size, I'd do my own research (obviously I have already done this)... If you really care about audio quality, use wav or MP3pro 320, or some other lossless format... if you're worried about space, encode and loose some quality... it's a pretty simple equation really...



You're right to the extent that everyone has different preferences and tolerance levels when it comes to striking a balance between file size and audio quality, but it concerns me that consumers appear to be lowering their standards more and more. Personally, I can't afford audiophile kit so 192kbps AAC is sufficient for my requirements, but my music is too precious to deserve anything less. I can't speak for the Telecom Music Store, but I have tried its Vodafone counterpart, and I found the audio quality absolutely dreadful even on my Nokia 6630.


as for prices, I recommend you check out downhillbattle (Google it)... write a letter to Pfizer, don't pay for major label music... don't confuse the price you pay for music with the technology that delivers it (that would be like blaming the kid in the cd store for the cost of the music you want to buy... or giving a kid who works at McDonalds grief about the nutritional value of a Big Mac)



My comments weren't intended to be a critism of Telecom or their music distribution model, and I apologise if they were interpreted that way. However, I stand by my assertion that the mobile music download services provided by Vodafone and Telecom do not offer value for money.

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  Reply # 39726 26-Jun-2006 20:45
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alasta, why is it sad? it's a choice... in fact digital is a step backwards... harmonics are lost in digital reproduction, but playing records in the same way people now play aac / mp3 etc is simply not possible... I think the fact that more people enjoy music is a great thing...

a friend of mine spent US$32,000 on a turntable, has it set up perfectly with all cables, amps etc the very best quality... anther friend has lots of low quality encoded mp3 8 bit electronica... you see it's preference... why 192 for you? why not 128 or 320? why? because you choose to encode at that rate... it's not sad, it's great!

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  Reply # 39727 26-Jun-2006 20:48
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alasta, should this

"I stand by my assertion that the mobile music download services provided by Vodafone and Telecom do not offer value for money."

do not offer you value for money?

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  Reply # 39748 26-Jun-2006 22:45
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Jaffa:  If you upload your songs to the "music" folder they will appear in the telecom music store player.

Other than that its the best phone I have ever used.




Looking at gettting this phone down the track... when is stored as mass storage can you assign these to ringtones as that was a HUGE annoyance with the sanyo phones.... easy to get around once you google but still, frustrating.

So in short, can any music transferred through PC to phone methods be used as a ringtone?? (copyright etc etc)



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  Reply # 39770 27-Jun-2006 08:51
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SilentOne: Looking at gettting this phone down the track... when is stored as mass storage can you assign these to ringtones as that was a HUGE annoyance with the sanyo phones.... easy to get around once you google but still, frustrating.

So in short, can any music transferred through PC to phone methods be used as a ringtone?? (copyright etc etc)

No its not possible.

Unless you hack the phones firmware, there are instructions on the net, but its also relatively easy to render your phone a brick in the process.

This is NOT a Telecom thing, its a Samsung thing, as Sprint users are stuck with it too....




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  Reply # 39772 27-Jun-2006 08:58
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How to convert / create AAC ringtones for the Samsung A900

not tested yet, anyone used SU Focus in NZ yet?




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  Reply # 39777 27-Jun-2006 09:25
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alasta:
bradstewart: I use the new Nokia Music Manger to convert mp3s to AAC 128kbps which average 4-500Kb in size. Sound fine when using headset. I have 900 songs on my 512Mb card

I rip directly from CD to 192kbps AAC, and my songs average about 6Mb, so I have no idea how you managed to get 128kbps AAC files down to 0.5Mb. The fact that you're converting from one codec to another shouldn't acheive any additional compression, although doing this is a no-no anyway. You must always encode music straight from the uncompressed source and, frankly, I don't believe for a minute that you could get a 3 - 4 minute song down to 0.5Mb and have it 'sound fine'. If that were true, then noone would ever buy a 30Gb iPod!

You don't believe me? First, I don't really care but it is true. For example looking at the songs on my phone now:
Aerosmith - Dream On.AAC - 517.7kB, Length 04:20
Greenday - Are We the Waiting.AAC - 318.7kB, Length 02:44
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here.AAC - 621.9kB, Length 05:17

All these were converted at 128kbps.

Also tell me why i shouldnt convert from mp3 to AAC? "You must always encode music straight from the uncompressed source"??
I dont care about having high quality files, its not like im playing it through my stereo system. It sounds perfectly fine with the headset and bluetooth headset i have



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  Reply # 39778 27-Jun-2006 09:40
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if the hardware and software doing the playing is not capable of reproducing a high quality file, then there must be a cutoff point at which there are just wasted bits in your file.

Experimenting a while back with small files on my 6255, a 5 minute 1MB mp3 "sounds fine" on the phone, but terrible on the home theater.

If you just want a backup music player for those odd times you get caught bored, phone + cruddy encoding is fine. If you are more serious about your music, try an iPod loaded with RockBox firmware playing lossless FLAC files.

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  Reply # 39796 27-Jun-2006 12:40
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Cheers tony... thats a dealbreaker for me :/ Although Sanyo made it so you couldn't and that was relatively easy to do so I'll wait and see what people manage to play with

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