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oxnsox
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  #547593 20-Nov-2011 21:50
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Maybe the Lock will only apply to handsets purchased with Skinny money...

With a plethora of handsets that'll work on multiple networks who would buy into a network that locked an existing handset???

 
 
 

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  #547594 20-Nov-2011 21:53
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oxnsox: Maybe the Lock will only apply to handsets purchased with Skinny money...

With a plethora of handsets that'll work on multiple networks who would buy into a network that locked an existing handset???

Look at who they are targeting. By the looks of it people with not a lot of money, I would take this as probably being kids/teens. The average teen in NZ is not really going to know if a phone is locked or what that even means.

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  #547601 20-Nov-2011 22:01
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codyc1515:
oxnsox: Maybe the Lock will only apply to handsets purchased with Skinny money...

With a plethora of handsets that'll work on multiple networks who would buy into a network that locked an existing handset???

Look at who they are targeting. By the looks of it people with not a lot of money, I would take this as probably being kids/teens. The average teen in NZ is not really going to know if a phone is locked or what that even means.

And they've probably got a new(ish) smart phone they bought off trademe.... 

And if you read this and other forums these are exactly the people who have trouble understanding the commitment to a contract, repaying the handset subsidy, why they can't just change plans/networks/handsets in the time it takes to order some fast food.

If Skinny goes down that path they're buying themselves a lot of head banging... and that is not a way to keep costs down



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  #547620 20-Nov-2011 22:42
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While I believe locking handsets to networks is rather silly, it does semi solve one problem. Currently if a Vodafone or XT phone is stolen you can just use it on 2degrees without having to worry about any IMEI blocks as 2degrees has no blocked phone register.

This way whoever steals/buys a stolen phone will have to pony up $30 and probably get caught in the process when they ask telecom for the unlock code :)

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  #547621 20-Nov-2011 22:44
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codyc1515:
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richms: I have no problem with handset locking if it comes with a substantial subsidy and is advised upfront what the buyout cost is. Hopefully a subsidy and lock would allow telecom to supply some decentish handsets at a price that will get people off CDMA sooner rather than later.


telecom are currently sending cdma customers a flyer to buy new handsets at discounted rates.  some i know has a cdma handset- they've probably not made a call on it for 1 year or more, they can choose from 3 XT handsets starting at $29... 

Those we're on contract prices if I'm not mistaken, if thats the case then the contract is the lock. There is no need to lock the phone.



nope.  the person  i know has no contract whatsoever.  their mobile bills to their home phone account *if* they use it, which they more or less dont. 




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  #547623 20-Nov-2011 22:46
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Regs:
codyc1515:
Regs:
richms: I have no problem with handset locking if it comes with a substantial subsidy and is advised upfront what the buyout cost is. Hopefully a subsidy and lock would allow telecom to supply some decentish handsets at a price that will get people off CDMA sooner rather than later.


telecom are currently sending cdma customers a flyer to buy new handsets at discounted rates.  some i know has a cdma handset- they've probably not made a call on it for 1 year or more, they can choose from 3 XT handsets starting at $29... 

Those we're on contract prices if I'm not mistaken, if thats the case then the contract is the lock. There is no need to lock the phone.



nope.  the person  i know has no contract whatsoever.  their mobile bills to their home phone account *if* they use it, which they more or less dont. 

No, I meant to get the phone that cheap you have to sign onto a contract.

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  #547625 20-Nov-2011 22:47
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insane:  2degrees has no blocked phone register.




You know that thieves don't care about block lists, right? They flog the phones off straight away. They don't care whether they *work* or not. And if they *do* care they can just change the IMEI.

I mean, put it this way, did phone theft suddenly go from zero to 100 when 2degrees entered the market?




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  #547626 20-Nov-2011 22:51
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SaltyNZ:
insane:  2degrees has no blocked phone register.




You know that thieves don't care about block lists, right? They flog the phones off straight away. They don't care whether they *work* or not. And if they *do* care they can just change the IMEI.

I mean, put it this way, did phone theft suddenly go from zero to 100 when 2degrees entered the market?

I mean, put it this way, did phone theft suddenly go from 100 to zero when 2degrees entered the market?
Are you endorsing not having the blacklist? 

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  #547627 20-Nov-2011 22:53
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codyc1515:
Are you endorsing not having the blacklist? 


No, I just wonder why everyone is so hung up on it. It doesn't stop theft, and it won't get you your phone back. It really won't.




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  #547629 20-Nov-2011 22:56
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SaltyNZ:
codyc1515:
Are you endorsing not having the blacklist? 


No, I just wonder why everyone is so hung up on it. It doesn't stop theft, and it won't get you your phone back. It really won't.

Who benefits? I think you make it quite clear. Hint: its not the customer.

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  #547630 20-Nov-2011 22:57
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SaltyNZ:
No, I just wonder why everyone is so hung up on it. It doesn't stop theft, and it won't get you your phone back. It really won't.


They just go off to another country, just as stolen UK ones end up in NZ and AU.




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  #547631 20-Nov-2011 23:00
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richms:
SaltyNZ:
No, I just wonder why everyone is so hung up on it. It doesn't stop theft, and it won't get you your phone back. It really won't.


They just go off to another country, just as stolen UK ones end up in NZ and AU.

Thats why we need a global blacklist. Oh wait, that already exists (http://www.gsmworld.com/our-work/programmes-and-initiatives/fraud-and-security/imei_database.htm).

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  #547634 20-Nov-2011 23:16
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codyc1515:
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codyc1515:
Regs:
richms: I have no problem with handset locking if it comes with a substantial subsidy and is advised upfront what the buyout cost is. Hopefully a subsidy and lock would allow telecom to supply some decentish handsets at a price that will get people off CDMA sooner rather than later.


telecom are currently sending cdma customers a flyer to buy new handsets at discounted rates.  some i know has a cdma handset- they've probably not made a call on it for 1 year or more, they can choose from 3 XT handsets starting at $29... 

Those we're on contract prices if I'm not mistaken, if thats the case then the contract is the lock. There is no need to lock the phone.



nope.  the person  i know has no contract whatsoever.  their mobile bills to their home phone account *if* they use it, which they more or less dont. 

No, I meant to get the phone that cheap you have to sign onto a contract.



no, no contract.  




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  #547635 20-Nov-2011 23:18
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Regs:
codyc1515:
Regs:
codyc1515:
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richms: I have no problem with handset locking if it comes with a substantial subsidy and is advised upfront what the buyout cost is. Hopefully a subsidy and lock would allow telecom to supply some decentish handsets at a price that will get people off CDMA sooner rather than later.


telecom are currently sending cdma customers a flyer to buy new handsets at discounted rates.  some i know has a cdma handset- they've probably not made a call on it for 1 year or more, they can choose from 3 XT handsets starting at $29... 

Those we're on contract prices if I'm not mistaken, if thats the case then the contract is the lock. There is no need to lock the phone.



nope.  the person  i know has no contract whatsoever.  their mobile bills to their home phone account *if* they use it, which they more or less dont. 

No, I meant to get the phone that cheap you have to sign onto a contract.



no, no contract.  

Are you sure? We got a similar one the other day and I'm quite sure it did require a contract of some kind.

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I think its a great idea. The youth market needs something like this, but I'm not sure it will really take off. A lot of the people at my school are running on Vodafone, with Vodafone brought handsets, so the bands wont be suited to Telecoms WCDMA network, which means many will need new phones, which many cannot afford. They need to have 2G services I reckon for this to really take off.

We teens like being able to try something out, and if it doesn't work/suit our needs, we want to be able to leave and go back to where we were prior, which isnt really possible on two almost entirely different networks.

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