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  Reply # 1594844 19-Jul-2016 08:45
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Sideface:

 

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I subscribe but chose to keep ads turned on.

 

I wouldn't want to miss an opportunity to go shopping. 

 

 

You are a sick puppy.

 

 

 

Thank you, I like to think so.





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  Reply # 1595009 19-Jul-2016 13:25
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So now there is a pop-up at every click asking to turn ad-blocker off.

 

 

 

I was actually considering turning ad-blocker off. But now with this obtuse in-your-faceness, it's staying on - and I'm just going to visit this site less. Lose lose.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1595201 19-Jul-2016 18:40
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illicit:

 

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illicit:

 

not for a forum that doesnt even take you to the latest unread post in a topic.

 

 

 

Clicking the blue box with the green arrow on it should take you to the last unread post.

 



Now that we've cleared that one up it's time for you to pay your money so you don't see ads.

 

 

 

Unfortunately there's more to it than that one example

 

 

So don't do it then.


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  Reply # 1595205 19-Jul-2016 18:50
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illicit: I currently use an ad blocker because the visual assault is almost painful - quite happy to pay $25/yr but not for a forum that doesnt even take you to the latest unread post in a topic.

my 2c smile

 

 

Your 2c aren't worth much then, because the "Last unread post" feature is something that we have for... what is that, ten years?

 

Jeeves:

 

So now there is a pop-up at every click asking to turn ad-blocker off.

 

I was actually considering turning ad-blocker off. But now with this obtuse in-your-faceness, it's staying on - and I'm just going to visit this site less. Lose lose.

 

 

Which is being discussed here - work in progress. Basically some people install ad blockers and don't even realise how this affects publishers. So I want to remind people to whitelist Geekzone. We're using a service for this and have been putting requests - for example to allow us to determine how many times the notice is shown to visitors. I think something like once a day is enough. So they're working on it.

 

Now think about it for a moment: you already block ads so we don't make any revenue from your visits. You say that because we remind you that whitelisting is an option you are going to visit less. Well that will be $0 loss out of $0 revenue. See my point?

 

You don't want ads and don't want a reminder? $25/year pays a subscription. The speed is much better because your browser don't even get the scripts for the ads.

 

Now, over the years I've seen a lot of people doing it... "Oh, I'd pay to support the site!" and when you point out a $25/year option is available, comes the rebutal "Oh but [I don't use that much]  [I don't like some people here] [I dislike the forum software] [I just think $25 is too expensive] [I don't like Paypal] [I don't like direct deposit] [I didn't really mean I'd pay]."

 

Yes, I've heard it all. There is even the case of someone who asked to have his account removed because he thought $25 was expensive, Geekzone wasn't worth it, he didn't like the ads and I was demanding money. That coming from someone who over the ten years here sold lots of stuff in "Offers/Wanted' and even won a prize.

 

 





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  Reply # 1595218 19-Jul-2016 18:57
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I think that some people believe that everyone in the IT crowd must be like this:

 

 

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  Reply # 1595222 19-Jul-2016 19:03
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meesham:

 

illicit:

 

 

 

not for a forum that doesnt even take you to the latest unread post in a topic.

 

Clicking the blue box with the green arrow on it should take you to the last unread post.

 

 

Which one?... I say embarrassing myself





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  Reply # 1595227 19-Jul-2016 19:11
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Ahhhhhhhh Cheers smile It even has a handy tool tip





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  Reply # 1595267 19-Jul-2016 19:36
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freitasm:

 

[snip] Well that will be $0 loss out of $0 revenue. See my point?

 

I just can't help thinking about asking Siri what's zero divided by zero sealed


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  Reply # 1595273 19-Jul-2016 19:46
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Reality is that people do not understand "publishing". I am not running a website, I am "publishing". This involves costs in terms of my time (which I dedicate a fair amount, every day, no weekends or holidays, including moderating, coding, posting, answering queries), colocation, CDN, SSL certificates, software licenses, email, travel when required to attend some event (and when not sponsored), etc.

 

Advertising doesn't require one to "click". There are various different types - CPM, CPA, CPC and so on.

 

  • CPM - pays per impression, regardless of someone clicking or not
  • CPA - pays per action such as a newsletter subscription or someone buying something from an affiliate link
  • CPC - pays per click, when someone visit the link

Looking at our numbers we have between 35% and 45% ad blockers. I do have the option of not seeing ads myself but I chose to see ads. I actually don't have an ad blocker on my main browser. I like seeing the ads on Geekzone because I personally guarantee that you won't see crap ads like the ones that appear in some large NZ sites (those "You're visitor # 1,000,000" or "You're a guaranteed smartphone winner"). I like that our ads are on topic, and if any of those make me unhappy I remove them from rotation.

 

I also resent people saying we have too many ads. The frontpage has three. The news pages have four. Forum pages have more but I made sure to optimize delivery. In the last few weeks I removed four different scripts used to track analytics and response times. I optimized other two scripts. I changed all our resources (images, scripts, CSS) to be served over SSL so if you have a compatible browser those will be loaded over HTTPS/2, which means a single connection with parallel downloads. In all our pages are faster than ever and faster than the majority of other New Zealand sites.

 

I spend evenings looking at how our pages load, just to make sure I can remove something else.

 

Obviously, for some, no amount of dedication is worth.

 

Guess what? I ran out of damns to give some time ago.





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  Reply # 1595281 19-Jul-2016 20:05
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For over eight years I administered an international Linux related website that had over One million members. It was a very busy site, I would put in atleast three hours work ( unpaid) per day , seven days per week.

I absolutely appreciate the work the staff on GZ do and do not begrudge the gathering of some revenue to try and cover costs and to be able to provide the best visitor experience. If MF makes a little for his efforts then all the better for him.

It does irk me that there seems to be an attitude of if it's on the internet it should be adv free and be free to access and use.




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  Reply # 1595336 19-Jul-2016 22:09
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@freitasm unfortunately you're always going to get some selfish/scroogy people who don't appreciate all the work that someone like you puts into a site like GZ. Many, many of us here appreciate what you do (speaking for myself here, even if I don't understand a lot of the technical side of what you just said above). Please don't let the negative nay-sayers get to you! smile

 

Just think: without geekzone, we'd probably all have to go get lives or something! tongue-outyellsurprised


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  Reply # 1595342 19-Jul-2016 22:15
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MikeB4: For over eight years I administered an international Linux related website that had over One million members. It was a very busy site, I would put in atleast three hours work ( unpaid) per day , seven days per week.

 

I remember seeing you there tongue-out


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  Reply # 1595940 21-Jul-2016 01:22
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I ended up subscribing as I was running a 3rd party script blocker and a large Hosts file with lots of add servers listed in it. Easier than figuring out which scripts needed to be allowed for the adds to even load. And even if I did click on an add, it would 404 due to the hosts file.

 

As for site loading speed - can vouch for that when I was in Samoa with a phone that didn't support 3G 900Mhz. Geekzone was about the only site that still had reasonable load speeds on 2G Edge.






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  Reply # 1596251 21-Jul-2016 13:47
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I just turned my adblocker off and I get this video clip of surfing and when I move my mouse over it, it takes up the whole screen.  Turned the adblocker on again.  Don't mind ads, but ones that take over your screen so you can't see the page?  Hmmmm.  


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