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  #118826 26-Mar-2008 17:58
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freitasm: You think Geekzone is heavy? Try this page and look at the source code...


Strangely enough Firefox thread CPU usage on that page (no GZ open) ~2-5%. Firefox thread CPU usage on GZ alone ~20-25%.

Firefox 2.0.0.13.


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#118832 26-Mar-2008 18:04
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I understand the user experience is regardless of source, but I am also saying that I have the site open in multiple tabs and I never had problems.

Note that by "problems" I mean the rendering interfering with any other computer usage.

To be fair I have pulled the Telecom advertising and notified the agency about this.




 

 

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  #118833 26-Mar-2008 18:08
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Fraktul:
freitasm: You think Geekzone is heavy? Try this page and look at the source code...


Strangely enough Firefox thread CPU usage on that page (no GZ open) ~2-5%. Firefox thread CPU usage on GZ alone ~20-25%.

Firefox 2.0.0.13.



And the point is? 20 - 25% of CPU utilisation is low. I come from an environment where we tended to use 90% flat, 24/7 because it just means using all resources available.

That's why we have OSes with threading - everything gets a slice of time and will do its job.

I am not saying it's good to have a single page using more CPU than others - and I think the problem is the Telecom flash advert which is now out of the rotation. But I never complained about my computer doing its work. Of course a complete different thing would be a loop pegging to the CPU and causing the whole machine to stop. But I haven't seen this - and I test on many different machines around here.





 

 

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  #118835 26-Mar-2008 18:09
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freitasm: To be fair I have pulled the Telecom advertising and notified the agency about this.

Ah... at least the Flash ads have been reduced in number (not completely gone yet though - one example is the MS Visual Studio 08 ads, which I know won't go away that fast...)




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#118836 26-Mar-2008 18:12
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manhinli: ...the MS Visual Studio 08 ads, which I know won't go away that fast...)


I am interested to find out how you "know" it won't go away that fast?

FYI the Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 ad finishes in a couple of days.

What's the problem with ads folks? Really, do you guys have any idea how much it cost to run a site with the number of page impressions and bandwidth we use?




 

 

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  #118839 26-Mar-2008 18:20
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Nothing's wrong with ads in general, but it's the ads themselves.

Sure, websites need some sort of external revenue (like ads and sponsorships...), and I know that ads are externally processed (though profiles can be edited to provide more focused content)... which is why I have to put up with such things.




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freitasm:
Fraktul:
freitasm: You think Geekzone is heavy? Try this page and look at the source code...


Strangely enough Firefox thread CPU usage on that page (no GZ open) ~2-5%. Firefox thread CPU usage on GZ alone ~20-25%.

Firefox 2.0.0.13.





And the point is? 20 - 25% of CPU utilisation is low. I come from an environment where we tended to use 90% flat, 24/7 because it just means using all resources available.



That's why we have OSes with threading - everything gets a slice of time and will do its job.



I am not saying it's good to have a single page using more CPU than others - and I think the problem is the Telecom flash advert which is now out of the rotation. But I never complained about my computer doing its work. Of course a complete different thing would be a loop pegging to the CPU and causing the whole machine to stop. But I haven't seen this - and I test on many different machines around here.





You quoted the page for comparison, not me :)

All I was saying was that for me GZ was more resource intensive than the page you quoted, as presumably something you would think was more resource intensive. Nothing more, nothing less.

 
 
 
 


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#118842 26-Mar-2008 18:43
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I pointed to that page because someone commented on the number of scripts we have on Geekzone - and I was just demonstrating that we actually have very little compared with other pages. Another comment was on use of AJAX - which we don't have any at the moment.

The whole thing was clogged up because of one ad which is no longer being shown.




 

 

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#118844 26-Mar-2008 18:51
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Here's my way to show the sweet, sweet proof:
- Firefox 2.0.0.13/Win, all addons disabled, cache cleared at start.
- AMD Turion64 2.0GHz, 512MB RAM


Pictures (don't look at the percentage reading, but the graph. Also the huge spike at the start always happens, so ignore that):

Firefox with absolutely nothing:


A trip to Geekzone:


Now, scrolling seems to really do something... 100% utilisation? (maybe Flash ads? maybe Firefox? I'll look into this later):



Now for the biggie - loading 10 tabs (I've closed Task Manager, so the graph can be refreshed):

- Ready state... about to begin (not much, so I've made the pic smaller)


- Loading... (here we go...)


- Finished!


I think it's great... what do you think? Is it close (or way off) than your conclusions?




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#118845 26-Mar-2008 18:54
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Because the chart goes up and down I think it shows Firefox rendering the page - if it was something else I would expect the utilisation to stay pretty much linear instead of going back down.




 

 

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  #118846 26-Mar-2008 18:55
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Good then.

Any counter-arguments?




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  #118849 26-Mar-2008 19:03
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Sans Telecom Ad my CPU usage is now 2-5% on GZ. :)

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Fraktul: Sans Telecom Ad my CPU usage is now 2-5% on GZ. :)

When exactly did the Telecom Ads disappear?

In your previous post you said that the CPU usage on GZ alone was "~20-25%" and that you used "Firefox 2.0.0.13."

Firefox 2.0.0.13 was released yesterday less than 24 hours ago, how could CPU usage like that change so suddenly? Hmm...




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#118851 26-Mar-2008 19:07
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My eyes! Do we need those huge screenshots?




 

 

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  #118854 26-Mar-2008 19:08
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manhinli:
Fraktul: Sans Telecom Ad my CPU usage is now 2-5% on GZ. :)

When exactly did the Telecom Ads disappear?


The ads were paused today at 6:02pm.




 

 

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