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  #1792415 31-May-2017 15:49
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Reporting a comment that don't belong where they are is so different than reporting bullying you folks have no idea.

If you see any indication of bullying that is not actually just someone with an opinion you disagree with, then report as moderators do take swift action.




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  #1792454 31-May-2017 16:42
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Rikkitic:

 

tdgeek:

 

gbwelly:

 

This thread is a great example of the problem in itself, it has degenerated into belittling jokes and given the pattern of +1s, the echo chamber that so many fear, already exists. I'm not a precious snowflake, but I know bullying when I see it. It is starting to feel more like the stuff.co.nz comments section lately round here.

 

 

 

 

The boorish posts I find very tiresome. I guess that's one way to defend a point, but would be nice for some to learn to discuss, rather than come back all guns blazing with putdowns and a string of adjectives when someone disagrees. Or maybe they cannot handle opposition?

 

 

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and bullying them. Some may see disagreement as bullying, and to some extent it will always be a matter of definition. But if you really feel some in a thread are going too far, but a mod doesn't agree with you and take action, there remains always the option to just disengage and unsubscribe from the thread in question. You don't have to just sit there and take it if you don't like it.

 

   

 

 

There is a clear difference between disagreement and bullying. very clear. As to what defines bullying here, I have no idea. Given how much I see here at times, I assume thats not billing. Its just boorish. 

 

Yes, we have a choice. Disengage, unsubscribe, or ignore the posts as if they did not exist. The latter is the easiest. 


 
 
 
 


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  #1792474 31-May-2017 17:27
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Can we please put this idea to bed finally? I feel it adds nothing useful to GZ. There are many more useful developments that effort could be put to instead. If you generally don't like the comments of certain individuals then either skip past them or avoid the threads they post in. You don't need fancy functionality to do this. We are all adults.

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  #1792496 31-May-2017 17:48
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"Screw you guys... I'm going home"





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  #1792501 31-May-2017 17:56
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Satch: Can we please put this idea to bed finally? I feel it adds nothing useful to GZ. There are many more useful developments that effort could be put to instead. If you generally don't like the comments of certain individuals then either skip past them or avoid the threads they post in. You don't need fancy functionality to do this. We are all adults.


Couldn't of said it better myself.

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  #1792522 31-May-2017 18:25
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IMDB had this function (back when they still had message boards). You could select to ignore any given poster. Mind you, their boards were totally un-moderated and full of trolls.


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  #1792931 1-Jun-2017 09:55
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gzt:
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gzt: It's a good example where rational discussion and the weight of evidence may have changed the beliefs and opinions of contributors.

 

 

 

Its a good example of a thread that most level headed people will simply ignore.

 


There were a good number of Pro-Trump people contributing initially. That seemed to tail off in line with Trump's decreasing approval ratings.

 

 

 

More in line with getting bored with the often illogical rabid anti-Trump sentiment, perhaps.

 

People's views about things like that don't change much IME. It somewhat inevitably becomes trench warfare because it's a fairly binary issue.






 
 
 
 


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  #1792958 1-Jun-2017 10:32
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Bullying - I've always interpreted as behaviour that is designed to intimidate and injure (physically or mentally) someone else.

 

That seems to be the definition that is used in an employment context.

 

If that definition is appropriate then sustained personal attacks would qualify, (but dis-agreeing with someone however stubbornly) would not.

 

 

 

 





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  #1793015 1-Jun-2017 11:30
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kiwifidget:

 

UHD:

 

Hey may I request a feature where I only see posts from people who wholeheartedly support my opinions please? I'm often triggered when someone disagrees with me and I need GZ to be my safe space. I can provide a list of issues and my opinions on them upon request so I'm able to be matched with the members who agree with me.

 

 

And you can call it TinderGeek. :)

 

 

 

 

More like GrinderGeek...


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  #1793034 1-Jun-2017 12:15
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tdgeek: There is a clear difference between disagreement and bullying. very clear. As to what defines bullying here, I have no idea. Given how much I see here at times, I assume that's not bulling. Its just boorish. 

 

Yes, we have a choice. Disengage, unsubscribe, or ignore the posts as if they did not exist. The latter is the easiest. 

 

 

Just like the terms 'racist' and 'chauvinist', 'bullying' is so inaccurately overused, mostly in an attempt to stifle expression of viewpoints by others, that it's almost ceased to have any real meaning.


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cadman: Just like the terms 'racist' and 'chauvinist', 'bullying' is so inaccurately overused, mostly in an attempt to stifle expression of viewpoints by others, that it's almost ceased to have any real meaning.

 

 

 I see bullying as doing just that. You're saying that the people who get quoted by others as bullies, are stifling the bullies expression?


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  #1793237 1-Jun-2017 16:50
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tdgeek:

 

cadman: Just like the terms 'racist' and 'chauvinist', 'bullying' is so inaccurately overused, mostly in an attempt to stifle expression of viewpoints by others, that it's almost ceased to have any real meaning.

 

 

I see bullying as doing just that. You're saying that the people who get quoted by others as bullies, are stifling the bullies expression?

 

 

No. I'm saying people that use the term "bullying" in reference to others are often themselves simply trying to bully them into silence by the application of a socially negative label.


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  #1793240 1-Jun-2017 16:59
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cadman:

 

tdgeek:

 

cadman: Just like the terms 'racist' and 'chauvinist', 'bullying' is so inaccurately overused, mostly in an attempt to stifle expression of viewpoints by others, that it's almost ceased to have any real meaning.

 

 

I see bullying as doing just that. You're saying that the people who get quoted by others as bullies, are stifling the bullies expression?

 

 

No. I'm saying people that use the term "bullying" in reference to others are often themselves simply trying to bully them into silence by the application of a socially negative label.

 

 

Ok. I cannot recall the B word being used here, ever. 

 

In a forum such as here, or anywhere, the term bullying is in my opinion pretty clear cut. You either participate in a discussion, where some agree, with their points and others disagree, with their points. Easy. Its not a points scoring exercise, or a need to be right. Well, not for most. For those that it is a need to be right, it can get nasty.  From calling a post BS, saying whoever thinks that is a stupid fool etc. Ive seen many variations. Thats where a discussion heads south, turning into a Im right, shudup environment. Its quite easy to say we agree to disagree. Its also easy to putdown and label.


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  #1793458 2-Jun-2017 09:26
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

Ok. I cannot recall the B word being used here, ever. 

 

In a forum such as here, or anywhere, the term bullying is in my opinion pretty clear cut. You either participate in a discussion, where some agree, with their points and others disagree, with their points. Easy. Its not a points scoring exercise, or a need to be right. Well, not for most. For those that it is a need to be right, it can get nasty.  From calling a post BS, saying whoever thinks that is a stupid fool etc. Ive seen many variations. Thats where a discussion heads south, turning into a Im right, shudup environment. Its quite easy to say we agree to disagree. Its also easy to putdown and label.

 

 

And yet I had users send me PM asking to having their accounts closed because they see "too much bullying in the off topic discussions" - as if the people participating didn't have an option to ignore the topics, or as if people were being mean to the others by showing how their posts/ideas were wrong or misguided.

 

It's like the overuse of the word "terrifying" in modern media. Clickbait headlines like these (actual ones from today's Google News) make the word completely meaningless by trying to get people to click through articles that are anything but tales that aren't "terrifying" at all:

 

  • "Shocking dashcam video shows terrifying near miss on road"
  • "WATCH: This escape artist's trick is terrifying"
  • "Trump's ignorance of the auto industry is terrifying"
  • "Two Moms Share Terrifying Stories About the Dangers of Fidget spinners"

 





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freitasm:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Ok. I cannot recall the B word being used here, ever. 

 

In a forum such as here, or anywhere, the term bullying is in my opinion pretty clear cut. You either participate in a discussion, where some agree, with their points and others disagree, with their points. Easy. Its not a points scoring exercise, or a need to be right. Well, not for most. For those that it is a need to be right, it can get nasty.  From calling a post BS, saying whoever thinks that is a stupid fool etc. Ive seen many variations. Thats where a discussion heads south, turning into a Im right, shudup environment. Its quite easy to say we agree to disagree. Its also easy to putdown and label.

 

 

And yet I had users send me PM asking to having their accounts closed because they see "too much bullying in the off topic discussions" - as if the people participating didn't have an option to ignore the topics, or as if people were being mean to the others by showing how their posts/ideas were wrong or misguided.

 

It's like the overuse of the word "terrifying" in modern media. Clickbait headlines like these (actual ones from today's Google News) make the word completely meaningless by trying to get people to click through articles that are anything but tales that aren't "terrifying" at all:

 

  • "Shocking dashcam video shows terrifying near miss on road"
  • "WATCH: This escape artist's trick is terrifying"
  • "Trump's ignorance of the auto industry is terrifying"
  • "Two Moms Share Terrifying Stories About the Dangers of Fidget spinners"

 

 

 

I can fully see that. I just meant that I have never seen anyone say there is too much bullying here, the B word. There have been off course some stating don't be an arse etc based on a bully type post


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