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  Reply # 201912 18-Mar-2009 14:38
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just because the corporate world still uses ie6 doesn't mean microsoft supports it. lol. by the way, my dad works in an office and they get new laptops every 2 years and his company laptops are using ie7 at the moment so not all corporates on are ie6.
if you don't believe ie6 is worth ditching then read the explanation from microsoft on why you should upgrade to ie7:
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/a426bb85-708c-4b75-87e2-874f9be3b4aa1033.mspx
by the way , if your thinking of using ie6 on windows vista, bad luck, ie6 won't run on vista.

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richgamer:
by the way, microsoft no longer support ie6.


Says who? Certainly not Microsoft.

IE6 is still used extensively in the corporate world and will continute to be used for quite some time into the future. Your ideas of perceived security risks and how the real world actually operates are quite different to reality.


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  Reply # 201913 18-Mar-2009 15:01
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Microsoft certainly DOES still support IE 6 at this time. They may (naturally) recommend upgrading - but they definately still provide support for IE6.

If you're not interested in listening to people with far more insight and experience than yourself, then I suggest you no longer start discussions here.

As for the issue you've encountered - there is really no call for concern at this point given the issue appears to be localised to you, and that the software isn't even finished.




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  Reply # 201927 18-Mar-2009 15:39
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richgamer: just because the corporate world still uses ie6 doesn't mean microsoft supports it. lol.


Well the Microsoft website says it's still supported if you look here.

Could you please provide a source for your statement that Microsoft don't still support IE6?

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  Reply # 201933 18-Mar-2009 15:55
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richgamer: lol honem. you only realized now that the ie8 i'm talking about is a beta. lol. lol. lol.
in my first post here i said this "...and i'm running ie8 rc1". rc1 means the version before the final version.


I've known from your first post that IE8 was beta software.


so you can use WebMarshall etc but it won't help because ie6 has holes. 

You still don't get the point I was trying to make with WebMarshall do you ?

Webmarshall is a software and hardware solution that works at the network level. Web based traffic in and out of the council goes through this single server.  All the so called "essential security features" you say IE 8 gives we already have at a network level. One of your users could be using Netscape1.0 or even IE 1.0.   They will still be getting all the security features you listed that IE 8 has.

The point i was trying to make with webmarshall is certain corporations have stronger web security features than IE 8 can offer.

I think your posts may of gotten off on the wrong foot here richgamer. If you had posted in the spirit of "admin can you pls fix this" then it would of been fine. Instead you choose to cling to the rather silly notation that everyone uses IE 8 and windows and therefore the site is going to crash for everyone.  

With the number of different operating systems and the variety of browsers available to use the fact that IE 8 crashes on this site is a MINOR issue. Just go use another browser to browse this site if you have to :D




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  Reply # 201955 18-Mar-2009 16:37
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sbiddle, it depends what ie6 version your work computers are using:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps#Internet_Explorer
Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 on Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 expired on 10-Oct-2006
Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 expires on 13-Jul-2010
and obviously if you look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_6#Supported_platforms
it shows that the last ie6 service pack was released on april 21st 2008, so ie6 hasn't had any security updates in 11 months, yet ie7 just had a security update last month.
sbiddle:
richgamer: just because the corporate world still uses ie6 doesn't mean microsoft supports it. lol.


Well the Microsoft website says it's still supported if you look here.

Could you please provide a source for your statement that Microsoft don't still support IE6?



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  Reply # 201957 18-Mar-2009 16:40
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do you even know how the ie exploits work? WebMarshall lets you browse websites right? so this means WebMarshall unblocks http web traffic because if it didn't you wouldn't be able to browse the internet. ie exploits work by a website installing something on your pc without you knowing.
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richgamer: lol honem. you only realized now that the ie8 i'm talking about is a beta. lol. lol. lol.
in my first post here i said this "...and i'm running ie8 rc1". rc1 means the version before the final version.


I've known from your first post that IE8 was beta software.


so you can use WebMarshall etc but it won't help because ie6 has holes. 

You still don't get the point I was trying to make with WebMarshall do you ?

Webmarshall is a software and hardware solution that works at the network level. Web based traffic in and out of the council goes through this single server.  All the so called "essential security features" you say IE 8 gives we already have at a network level. One of your users could be using Netscape1.0 or even IE 1.0.   They will still be getting all the security features you listed that IE 8 has.

The point i was trying to make with webmarshall is certain corporations have stronger web security features than IE 8 can offer.

I think your posts may of gotten off on the wrong foot here richgamer. If you had posted in the spirit of "admin can you pls fix this" then it would of been fine. Instead you choose to cling to the rather silly notation that everyone uses IE 8 and windows and therefore the site is going to crash for everyone.  

With the number of different operating systems and the variety of browsers available to use the fact that IE 8 crashes on this site is a MINOR issue. Just go use another browser to browse this site if you have to :D

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  Reply # 201989 18-Mar-2009 18:31
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richgamer: sbiddle, it depends what ie6 version your work computers are using:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps#Internet_Explorer
Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 on Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 expired on 10-Oct-2006
Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 expires on 13-Jul-2010
and obviously if you look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_6#Supported_platforms
it shows that the last ie6 service pack was released on april 21st 2008, so ie6 hasn't had any security updates in 11 months, yet ie7 just had a security update last month.
sbiddle:
richgamer: just because the corporate world still uses ie6 doesn't mean microsoft supports it. lol.


Well the Microsoft website says it's still supported if you look here.

Could you please provide a source for your statement that Microsoft don't still support IE6?



I assume you're referring to the February patch update? Details of which are availble from this MS bulletin here. If you had done any research into the issue at all you'd realise IE7 was updated last month due to an exploit that appears *only* in IE7. The exploit covers two vulnerabilities that don't apply to IE6 - hence the reason there was no patch for IE6.

IE6 *IS* a supported browser. You yourself have just agreed with what I told you in the post before.

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  Reply # 201990 18-Mar-2009 18:33
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richgamer: do you even know how the ie exploits work? 


Do YOU know how WebMarshal works? I suggest you do some reading on the topic.

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  Reply # 202003 18-Mar-2009 19:19
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I work for a large government department, and guess what browser we use? Thats right IE6.

Does it work? Yes.
Does it ever crash? Not to my knowledge or experience.
Does it prevent work being done? No.
Are we allowed to use it to surf the internet? Yes, but within policy and selected sites are not available.


Is IE6 a risk to the department? Maybe, BUT there are other systems inbetween IE6 and the big scary virus/trojan/retard infected interwebs.

I cannot even reply to posts here on geekzone, I can view them all, but none of the buttons work here. So I am able to browse a website, and still have content blocked... ZOMG ALL THE PRETTY PICTURES AND TEXT ARE GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE NETWORK....


back on topic, IF there was a problem with geekzone, do you think Mauricio would miss something like a release of the latest IE and stop thousands of visitors from visiting his site? No.


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  Reply # 202035 18-Mar-2009 21:48
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richgamer: do you even know how the ie exploits work? WebMarshall lets you browse websites right? so this means WebMarshall unblocks http web traffic because if it didn't you wouldn't be able to browse the internet. ie exploits work by a website installing something on your pc without you knowing.


Webmarshall works at the network level. 

Which means I put in a website on any browser on the council network that is on the black list and it brings back a page from Webmarshall blocking it.  A similar thing happens for any phishing sites as well - it comes back with a webmarshall error saying it was blocked.

It acts a security guard between the outside internet and our network. All HTTP traffic for the council goes through this 1 server. So none of the exploits you are worrying about work as it blocks them before the page can even load.

Again. IE 8 not working with 1 website ? MINOR ISSUE !




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  Reply # 202189 19-Mar-2009 15:19
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ok lets look at a security research company's website of ie6 vs ie7:

ie6 has 22 out of 135 vulnerabilities unpatched
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/11/?task=advisories_2008

ie7 has 9 out of 34 vulnerabilities unpatched
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/12366/


what this tells us is, ie6 has 22 vulnerabilities not patched, compared to ie7 which only has 9 vulnerabilities not patched. that's why i'm using ie8 rc1 and i'll be using the final version when it comes out.




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richgamer: sbiddle, it depends what ie6 version your work computers are using:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps#Internet_Explorer
Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 on Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 expired on 10-Oct-2006
Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 expires on 13-Jul-2010
and obviously if you look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_6#Supported_platforms
it shows that the last ie6 service pack was released on april 21st 2008, so ie6 hasn't had any security updates in 11 months, yet ie7 just had a security update last month.
sbiddle:
richgamer: just because the corporate world still uses ie6 doesn't mean microsoft supports it. lol.


Well the Microsoft website says it's still supported if you look here.

Could you please provide a source for your statement that Microsoft don't still support IE6?



I assume you're referring to the February patch update? Details of which are availble from this MS bulletin here. If you had done any research into the issue at all you'd realise IE7 was updated last month due to an exploit that appears *only* in IE7. The exploit covers two vulnerabilities that don't apply to IE6 - hence the reason there was no patch for IE6.

IE6 *IS* a supported browser. You yourself have just agreed with what I told you in the post before.

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  Reply # 202193 19-Mar-2009 15:43
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richgamer: ok lets look at a security research company's website of ie6 vs ie7:

ie6 has 22 out of 135 vulnerabilities unpatched
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/11/?task=advisories_2008

ie7 has 9 out of 34 vulnerabilities unpatched
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/12366/


what this tells us is, ie6 has 22 vulnerabilities not patched, compared to ie7 which only has 9 vulnerabilities not patched. that's why i'm using ie8 rc1 and i'll be using the final version when it comes out.


So over 25% of IE7's vulnerabilities remain unpatched?

Whilst a far lesser percentage of IE6's are unpatched?

Thanks for letting us know that IE6 is the safer browser!!!









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no tonyhughes, ie7 is the safer browser. your quoting the percentage, not the actual number of vulnerabilities. ie6 had 135 vulnerabilities in total and ie7 only had 34.
 if someone asked you how old you were would you say i'm 90% of a certain number? no, you would give your actual age in a number, not a percentage.


tonyhughes:
richgamer: ok lets look at a security research company's website of ie6 vs ie7:

ie6 has 22 out of 135 vulnerabilities unpatched
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/11/?task=advisories_2008

ie7 has 9 out of 34 vulnerabilities unpatched
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/12366/


what this tells us is, ie6 has 22 vulnerabilities not patched, compared to ie7 which only has 9 vulnerabilities not patched. that's why i'm using ie8 rc1 and i'll be using the final version when it comes out.


So over 25% of IE7's vulnerabilities remain unpatched?

Whilst a far lesser percentage of IE6's are unpatched?

Thanks for letting us know that IE6 is the safer browser!!!

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  Reply # 202218 19-Mar-2009 17:20
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richgamer: no tonyhughes, ie7 is the safer browser. your quoting the percentage, not the actual number of vulnerabilities. ie6 had 135 vulnerabilities in total and ie7 only had 34.
 if someone asked you how old you were would you say i'm 90% of a certain number? no, you would give your actual age in a number, not a percentage.


And for your information to have any merit, one would have to look at every vulnerability and decide what it makes you vulnerable to, and how many people it would affect, and how commonly it would occur.

IMHO tony's comment makes the most sense to me, and all of the companies who still use IE6 as their browser of choice.

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  Reply # 202274 19-Mar-2009 21:27
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Internet Explorer 6 will be SEVEN years old on August 27th. It came out a few weeks before the Twin Towers fell. It came out before the Nintendo GameCube. It came out before the first iPod.

Yes IE6 is older than than this:




It's also older than this, the Nokia 3510:



Reference:  http://iedeathmarch.org/




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