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  Reply # 354915 22-Jul-2010 13:55
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freitasm: But I have to say it's hard because I have no idea really what to do to make it more accessible.



Way off topic but for this page here are 145 places to start http://wave.webaim.org/report?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geekzone.co.nz%2Fforums.asp%3Fforumid%3D4%26topicid%3D64682%26page_no%3D6&js=2





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  Reply # 354930 22-Jul-2010 14:41
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jmosen:

2. The body of the post should also be denoted with a lower level heading. So you might use H2 for new posts, H3 for the body. Alternatively, use an aria landmark for the body of each post.



Going off topic here, but I find this one weird. I can understand you want structural markup (that is a good idea), but using a third level header tag for a post just doesn't make sense. How about a < P > tag ?

Edit: GZ ate my tag. Also I just looked up aria landmarks. They look like a nice idea.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 354932 22-Jul-2010 14:47
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It probably doesn't make sense to you because you're not a screen reader user.

When I listen to the header of a forum post, all I'm really interested in is who is posting. When I've established that, the objective is to skip to the body, as you would visually skip to it, then skip any quoted text.

Screen readers have the ability to move by heading with a key press. It is true, may do the job, but has the potential to be more ambiguous. Again, and Aria landmark may be a better way forward here.




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  Reply # 354970 22-Jul-2010 15:55
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jmosen:
Screen readers have the ability to move by heading with a key press. It is true, may do the job, but has the potential to be more ambiguous. Again, and Aria landmark may be a better way forward here.


I feel your suggestion of more extensive use of heading tags will get messy very quickly (visually). However Aria landmarks could be implemented very easily.




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  Reply # 354986 22-Jul-2010 16:08
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jmosen:
Screen readers have the ability to move by heading with a key press. It is true, may do the job, but has the potential to be more ambiguous. Again, and Aria landmark may be a better way forward here.


I feel your suggestion of more extensive use of heading tags will get messy very quickly (visually). However Aria landmarks could be implemented very easily.


The one down side of using Aria is that there is no hierarchy of landmarks. I understand that using a heading tag for the body may not be visually acceptable, but if each post could have a heading at the point where the user's name is, even at a really low level, and each body an aria landmark, that would be a very good solution.

Otherwise, aria is better than the status quo, for sure.




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  Reply # 355014 22-Jul-2010 16:41
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Okay, going off topic now - leave it with me to have a play.. if I can implement it in a way that doesn't look horrible visually - then no problem :)




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I don't subscribe and my eyes naturally avoid ads on web pages after years of training. I do donate to one free computer e-zine (TidBITS) so I'm not necessarily cheap. Perhaps giving people several options for donations might work. I wouldn't hesitate to chip in to keep the site running if the price was right. But there is a difference between donating to a forum and donating to a carefully researched and edited weekly e-zine.

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I would look at subscribing to Geekzone to get ride of the ads, but as I have no way to pay for it and if I did have a way to pay for it, I am not allowed to pay for things on the internet any way.



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  Reply # 355775 24-Jul-2010 13:57
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jmosen: The one down side of using Aria is that there is no hierarchy of landmarks. I understand that using a heading tag for the body may not be visually acceptable, but if each post could have a heading at the point where the user's name is, even at a really low level, and each body an aria landmark, that would be a very good solution.


Phil has put this suggestion in place if you want to check it...





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  Reply # 355782 24-Jul-2010 14:22
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Wow! That is absolutely brilliant! Thanks Phil, you have no idea what a difference that makes! Much appreciated.




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  Reply # 355867 24-Jul-2010 17:50
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Great to hear. It's one of those areas I'd like to understand better. But it's quite difficult to fully grasp or appreciate without feedback from someone such as yourself.

The good news is that ultimately it was very little effort to accommodate those changes, and I'm sure we can find other areas to extend Aria support around the site.

I'd be interested to hear about any other major pain points you've found.




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  Reply # 355868 24-Jul-2010 17:54
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Thanks, will be happy to feed back further.




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  Reply # 357633 28-Jul-2010 11:52
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I hope this hasn't been covered elsewhere in this thread as I haven't read every entry. A subscription gives one access to the Off Topic (Subscribers) Forum and no advertising.

I stop ads with Proxomitron, others use other ad blockers.

The mystery is in the content of the Off Topic (Subscribers) Forum which seems to be the main advantage of subscribing. If we were given a read-only view of that (even if only for a short time) it just may tempt some to subscribe who cannot resist commenting on the many wonderful issues discussed there.

Mind you the topics would have to be amazing to get many to subscribe. Still, I may be wrong on this, my hat is standing by.



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geek4me: I hope this hasn't been covered elsewhere in this thread as I haven't read every entry. A subscription gives one access to the Off Topic (Subscribers) Forum and no advertising.

I stop ads with Proxomitron, others use other ad blockers.

The mystery is in the content of the Off Topic (Subscribers) Forum which seems to be the main advantage of subscribing. If we were given a read-only view of that (even if only for a short time) it just may tempt some to subscribe who cannot resist commenting on the many wonderful issues discussed there.



The "non-ads while supporting Geekzone" is the main advantage of the subscription. The Off Topic forum is not used much. But you can create your own hidden forums. I know of a couple being very active but those are by invitation only.

Only subscribers can create a private forum, but non-subscribers have access on an invitation only basis.





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