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  # 656528 16-Jul-2012 15:10
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nickt: In the detailed proposal they talk about..... 



Nice find! One thing I picked up from that document is that they both have very little faith in UFB uptake.


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# 656701 16-Jul-2012 21:43
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*raises white flag*

If I'm going to understand half of what's being said on this thread, can someone point me to a telecommunications 101!?

Unbundled? Cabinets? EH?
Yeah I don't know, but sure do want to know.




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  # 656707 16-Jul-2012 21:49
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Off topic, but a  very short reply:

POTS (Plain Old Telephone Lines) connect via copper to an exchange. Up until a few years ago only Telecom equipment were allowed inside those exchanges, and Telecom would wholesale access. Recently the Commerce Commission required Telecom to "unbundle the local loop", allowing third party companies to place their own gear inside those exchanges.

Customer could now connect to either a Telecom box, or to a third party box. Slingshot, Orcon, TelstraClear, Vodafone and some others arranged to have their gear installed.

At the same time Telecom (now Chorus, a completely separate company) started rolling out cabinets. Those are distributed around the country and connected to the exchange via fibre. They give a much better performance to customers because the distance to the houses is a lot shorter. DSL performance decreases with distance.

Some of those other companies didn't heed the advice and continued unbundling. However it's not economical for those companies to put their own equipments in cabinets because each cabinet services a much smaller number of households than an exchange, making everything a lot more expensive.

As a result, if you are in a cabinet area you have to connect via wholesale otherwise there'll be performance problems (the third party DSL equipments in exchange often don't work well when there's something between them and the modem, such as a cabinet).

I recommend you read sbiddle's blog for a lot of technical information. Also follow him at @stevebiddle.




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  # 656736 16-Jul-2012 22:12
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There's also a pretty good glossary in the Commerce Commission application linked earlier itself (starts on page 60).

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  # 656799 17-Jul-2012 05:09
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Thanks guys :)

I need to get a better understanding of telecommunications in general and THEN the current state here in New Zealand.

Will be starting a new role in September and feel that I need to get this under my belt if I am going to remotely understand what some of my colleagues will be talking about, and their concerns etc.




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  # 656816 17-Jul-2012 07:45
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Its also worth noting that Tcl privately owns a copper network in the CBD areas of major towns that voda will inherit. This network serves business customers and competes with telecom voice products, and also for data and Internet products too. 

Only telecom group was 'unbundled' and required to make the major upgrades to It's network as well as open it up to anyone who wants to use it. 

As many people have reported here, the major upgrades to the telecom access network has meant that xtra's broadband performance has improved a lot over the last 5 years, and for some customers using a 'nearly finished' component from chorus (like UBA) to run Internet on performs a lot better than using an unbundled copper line. 






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antoniosk: Its also worth noting that Tcl privately owns a copper network in the CBD areas of major towns that voda will inherit. This network serves business customers and competes with telecom voice products, and also for data and Internet products too. 


Was this from the Clear days?

 
 
 
 


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  # 656937 17-Jul-2012 11:22
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nickb800:
antoniosk: Its also worth noting that Tcl privately owns a copper network in the CBD areas of major towns that voda will inherit. This network serves business customers and competes with telecom voice products, and also for data and Internet products too. 


Was this from the Clear days?

Mostly from the Saturn days in Wellington, and TelstraSaturn days in Christchurch. Other cities are mostly TelstraClear era.

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Shadbolt:
nickb800:
antoniosk: Its also worth noting that Tcl privately owns a copper network in the CBD areas of major towns that voda will inherit. This network serves business customers and competes with telecom voice products, and also for data and Internet products too. 


Was this from the Clear days?

Mostly from the Saturn days in Wellington, and TelstraSaturn days in Christchurch. Other cities are mostly TelstraClear era.

Is this copper network distinct from the HFC network or is he just referring to the POTS part of the HFC network?

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nickb800:
Shadbolt:
nickb800:
antoniosk: Its also worth noting that Tcl privately owns a copper network in the CBD areas of major towns that voda will inherit. This network serves business customers and competes with telecom voice products, and also for data and Internet products too. 


Was this from the Clear days?

Mostly from the Saturn days in Wellington, and TelstraSaturn days in Christchurch. Other cities are mostly TelstraClear era.

Is this copper network distinct from the HFC network or is he just referring to the POTS part of the HFC network?

They are two separate networks. The fibre-coax HFC network is not connected to the copper POTS network. However, they were built at the same time, and "lie" alongside each other.

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  # 656981 17-Jul-2012 12:43
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This doesn't look too good for TC TV customers after the merger.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10820068

"Questions follow Australasian media shake-up"




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  # 657080 17-Jul-2012 15:12
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When the reporter can't even get the company name correct, I'd believe little said in their article.




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old3eyes: This doesn't look too good for TC TV customers after the merger.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10820068

"Questions follow Australasian media shake-up"


Do you think that technology, such as UFB and cheaper PVR's like TiVo, is going to over take this debate?

I was looking at a product yesterday that lets you send your TV over the net anywhere in the world. 

I was reading a post here the other day about how 2Talk/CallPlus used to terminate calls in Australia with Telecom.

My TCL HFC service will pull 93mbit UDP from .us.

Live sports is the main content the PTV has to offer.

Join all the dots...

Sky is going to make and keep content affordable and competitive with a great wholesale offering with peering and partnerships or the community will simply do to PTV what the community did to the music and DVD industries.

I agree that lobby groups will move to get regulation to protect the industry, but really?  Judge David Harvey has given a very clear signal as to how that's going to be met.







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  # 657083 17-Jul-2012 15:14
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old3eyes: This doesn't look too good for TC TV customers after the merger.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10820068

"Questions follow Australasian media shake-up"


As far as I can tell form the article the problems would exist regardless of the merger.




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