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  # 659000 20-Jul-2012 12:13
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D1023319: I subscribe to telstra TV for TV7 type programs such as history channel, BBC knowledge, etc..

Hence I was referring to Alan Freeths reported comments that  skys requirements for exclusive supply arrangement meant telstra couldnt source cheaper programs from other providers.

It is in this environment - I'd like MED to outlaw this restrictive SKY package where they can lever off stuff such as sport to lock a TV distributor into their service. 


You either have a regulated market or a free market.  You can't have a free market and then regulate it, that's not a free market, it's a regulated market.

We either want free trade or we don't, and the vote has been made globally for free trade.

Our content producers have to start exporting more content with our help.

At the same time we have to just import content we want.

Each month my wife orders a book from the "book depository".  She's become an expert in ordering.  She chooses which currency will get her the best deal on the day and checks 'pre-release' deals.  It seems to me that the book sellers and writers have figured out the dynamics of a new market but the video guys are yet to catch up.

I noticed QuickFlix advertising on the TV for the first time last night (could have been going on for a while, but this was the first time I noticed it.)

I agree with you, I like the '7' type of content, but you and I are in the minority, so like my wife we're going to have to become experts in finding our content and importing it directly from overseas sellers.

What gets me is that in the audio and video space, we have to get to the point of just stealing their IP before they get the message that we want it and have to provide a sensible commerical solution. 

While I don't like to advocate theft, it does still seem that people are going to have to steal a lot more content before these content brokers (Sky, etc) get the message that they need to make content available.

In the past month I've looked at the content on my TiVo and on QuickFlix and I agree with you that neither of these vendors are delivering the content yet.  Perhaps we'll see a change when we see igloo get to market as a sensible price point.





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  # 659034 20-Jul-2012 12:57
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DonGould: 
What gets me is that in the audio and video space, we have to get to the point of just stealing their IP before they get the message that we want it and have to provide a sensible commercial solution.  

While I don't like to advocate theft, it does still seem that people are going to have to steal a lot more content before these content brokers (Sky, etc) get the message that they need to make content available. 


No . The content providers will want even more restrictive laws in this country. I suspect that they will guard their old outdated model for as long as they can or hell freezes over..




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  # 662763 27-Jul-2012 09:29
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The Commerce Commission has released its preliminary statement on issues related to this merger.

Nothing exciting though - mainly a review of competition in the fixed line services/products for large commercial segment, the existence of overlap in the national backbone and international connectivity and overlap in additional areas (residential and SME, metropolitan and non-urban areas and other specific segments).






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  # 662784 27-Jul-2012 09:54
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DonGould: 
What gets me is that in the audio and video space, we have to get to the point of just stealing their IP before they get the message that we want it and have to provide a sensible commercial solution.  

While I don't like to advocate theft, it does still seem that people are going to have to steal a lot more content before these content brokers (Sky, etc) get the message that they need to make content available. 


No . The content providers will want even more restrictive laws in this country. I suspect that they will guard their old outdated model for as long as they can or hell freezes over..


Yes, content providers will want more restrictive laws but they won't work. The current SkyNet three strikes law is an interesting case.

One side of the argument is that it is 'working' because less people are downloading pirated content, any figures given by anyone in the debate are probably agenda driven estimates but that's all we have. However, with no people actually being brought before the tribunal and plenty of people 'getting away with it' my guess is piracy will hit a low point and then rebound.

So what next? 

I think Don's point is that the only way there will be change is if piracy forces change and that this will eventually come, probably via more stupid laws that don't really work. 

I am looking forward to the fight between ISPs trying to increase the cost of sending notices and content industry reps trying to lower it, that is going to be a laugh a second. 




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  # 662883 27-Jul-2012 12:00
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freitasm: Please discuss the Copyright law in another thread. This is about Vodafone and TelstraClear.



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  # 669448 8-Aug-2012 09:41
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jonherries:
quickymart:
Asrafrate: I'd be keen to know how this will affect companies like 2degrees.

I wouldn't think it would make much difference as TCL didn't have their own mobile network, just resold Vodafone's product :)


To me the opportunity for someone like 2 degrees is to buy a small to medium ISP. Snap would be around the right size.

Essentially it comes down to leveraging infrastructure, if you are building a fibre backbone and installing switching gear, you could and should leverage this across mobile and fixed line broadband.

You could see some really innovative stuff if 2degrees moves into this space. I am thinking maybe a femtocell ala suresignal, but with a bit more smarts like a wifi hotpsot and wifi calling.

Jon


Boom!

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  # 708921 30-Oct-2012 09:13
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Just got the press release (posted in the news section before):


The Commerce Commission has cleared Vodafone New Zealand’s proposed purchase of TelstraClear Limited.

Vodafone applied for clearance in July to acquire 100% of the shares and/or assets of TelstraClear from Telstra Corporation Limited.

Vodafone is a mobile phone operator in New Zealand and has a nationwide network servicing its mobile retail customers, as well as wholesaling mobile services to other providers. In addition, Vodafone is increasingly offering a range of fixed line services to residential and business customers and is also reselling Sky Television.

TelstraClear offers a range of predominantly fixed line services to residential and business customers throughout New Zealand. In addition to its fixed line products, TelstraClear also offers cable TV, mobile (through a wholesale agreement with Vodafone) and backhaul services.

In assessing the clearance application, the Commission looked at the potential impact of the purchase in a number of markets. These include the provision of fixed line calling and broadband services to residential, as well as business customers, with a particular focus on small businesses, long distance backhaul services, mobile phone services and spectrum management rights for mobile phone services.

The Commission assessed the extent to which Vodafone and TelstraClear currently compete ‘head to head’ and whether the loss of that rivalry would lead to a substantial lessening of competition, the test under the Commerce Act.

Commerce Commission chair Dr Mark Berry said, “In reaching its decision, the Commission considered that the merged entity would continue to face competition from Telecom, as well as Orcon, Slingshot and other smaller businesses in providing fixed line voice and broadband services to residential and small business customers”.

The Commission did not find any significant business overlap between Vodafone and TelstraClear in the provision of either mobile phone services or fixed line services to large businesses. Finally, Vodafone would not acquire all of the radio spectrum presently owned by TelstraClear. Some of the spectrum will be transferred to TelstraClear’s parent, Telstra Corporation, and will be available for purchase by other telecommunications companies.

As a result, the Commission is satisfied that the proposed acquisition would be unlikely to substantially lessen competition in any of the relevant markets,” said Commerce Commission Chair, Dr Mark Berry. 






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  # 708924 30-Oct-2012 09:16
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It'll be interesting to see how Vodafone reacts to the spectrum restrictions!



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  # 708925 30-Oct-2012 09:17
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And here is happy Vodafone release:


Vodafone New Zealand today announced that all regulatory approvals required for its acquisition of TelstraClear Limited (“TelstraClear”), for a cash consideration of NZ$840 million, have now been granted.

The acquisition has been approved by the Commerce Commission and the Overseas Investment Office.  In addition, various spectrum transfers have been approved by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment.  Vodafone expects to complete the transaction on 31 October 2012.

Vodafone New Zealand Chief Executive, Russell Stanners, said the acquisition will see Vodafone combine two talented teams with highly complementary skills to offer fixed and mobile communications services to customers across New Zealand.

“This acquisition will allow us to combine our strength in mobile with TelstraClear’s strength in fixed communications solutions. It means we can meet customers’ constantly evolving communications needs – whether that’s mobile services, broadband, pay TV, or sophisticated ICT services – from the Far North to Southland.”

Stanners says the company will operate as two separate business units initially, with a clear focus to continue to deliver a great experience to Vodafone and TelstraClear customers.

“Vodafone has a strong track record of innovation and New Zealanders can look forward to a whole lot more from Vodafone over the coming months and years.”

Vodafone will be communicating with customers from both companies over the coming weeks to provide more information.





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  # 708930 30-Oct-2012 09:22
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The Spectrum caps were always there, no surprise to Vodafone, Telstra or Telstra Clear 

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  # 708932 30-Oct-2012 09:24
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knoydart: The Spectrum caps were always there, no surprise to Vodafone, Telstra or Telstra Clear 

Ahh, the NBR article implied that it was a surprise (and I hadn't followed the previous news too closely).

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  # 708950 30-Oct-2012 09:43
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So.. I finally can have single bill and quad-play!!!! YAY!!

Though might still be 2 bills, as Dean and I both have our own Vodafone account, would be good if there's a "Family account" to handle both Dean's and my smartphone plans and our mobile data plan for tablets (4 numbers)...

Hey VodafoneNZ/TelstraClear, will that happen?? Think of the paper that can be reduced and ease of management of plans and services in quad-play!




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Hi all. We have information on our website.

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