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Reply # 749493 23-Jan-2013 12:42

A Sure Signal unit has to work on a certain carrier in the 3G 2100Mhz band so are made for NZ requirements these would not be the same as for the UK unit,

Comparing it to a handset is not valid they are a very different device

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Reply # 749494 23-Jan-2013 12:44

PhantomNVD:
freitasm:
PhantomNVD: Any good reason why you wouldn't want people to extend your network for you 'for free'?

Because how will they know this specific unit is compliant with local regulations? How would they know the power sources are safe and provide what is needed? How would they know if the unit has the specific firmware version needed for local use?

Because they can easy check this by logging into it, though the router , and line, they requireme to use?

[all VF modern hardware had hard coded backdoor access for this express purpose - unfortunately publicly
available too (!) but that's another issue]

and if it didn't work... THEN I would have to buy a local one?

To go back to the tourist Cellphone analogy, how would it be seen if they denied all tourists to connect their phones here unless they bought Vodafone one "to ensure it would meet the local standards and work in NZ'"?

You are comparing Apples with Oranges

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Reply # 749502 23-Jan-2013 12:53

johnr:
PhantomNVD:
freitasm:
PhantomNVD: Any good reason why you wouldn't want people to extend your network for you 'for free'?

Because how will they know this specific unit is compliant with local regulations? How would they know the power sources are safe and provide what is needed? How would they know if the unit has the specific firmware version needed for local use?

Because they can easy check this by logging into it, though the router , and line, they requireme to use?

[all VF modern hardware had hard coded backdoor access for this express purpose - unfortunately publicly
available too (!) but that's another issue]

and if it didn't work... THEN I would have to buy a local one?

To go back to the tourist Cellphone analogy, how would it be seen if they denied all tourists to connect their phones here unless they bought Vodafone one "to ensure it would meet the local standards and work in NZ'"?

You are comparing Apples with Oranges

But I like apple AND oranges in my fruit salad :)

Seriously though, thanks for the honest and thought out responses... (and link!)
I have a bid on the trademe one now, MUCH more realistically priced than a VF new one :)

Lets hope no-one else on GZ wants one though, as now we'll have to all fight for it! ^^

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Reply # 750094 24-Jan-2013 11:53

johnr: A Sure Signal unit has to work on a certain carrier in the 3G 2100Mhz band so are made for NZ requirements these would not be the same as for the UK unit,

Comparing it to a handset is not valid they are a very different device

Can you remind me why you have to be a Voda Fixed Line Broadband customer for the sure signal to work? Is that still a requirement?

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Reply # 750097 24-Jan-2013 11:59

ptinson:
johnr: A Sure Signal unit has to work on a certain carrier in the 3G 2100Mhz band so are made for NZ requirements these would not be the same as for the UK unit,

Comparing it to a handset is not valid they are a very different device

Can you remind me why you have to be a Voda Fixed Line Broadband customer for the sure signal to work? Is that still a requirement?

Paul

Yes it is a requirement,

End to end QoS for a start, On Vodafone Sure Signal traffic is zero rated as the devices are open for any Vodafone NZ customer to connect to it,

If Sure Signal has issues this means we can do fault checking end to end, None of the call your ISP and the ISP is saying call Vodafone and Vodafone is saying call your ISP,

You only deal with Vodafone so it makes it easier

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Reply # 750098 24-Jan-2013 12:00

Because all broadband traffic between Sure Signal and the mobile infrastructure is zero rated on Vodafone.

Users on other ISPs would pay for that traffic. Seeing the Sure Signal accepts mobile connections from any Vodafone user, at some point your Sure Signal could be providing gigabytes of traffic to your neighbor, all being charged to your fixed line broadband...

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Reply # 750099 24-Jan-2013 12:03

If the Sure Signal came to TelstraClear then that would be something for us to consider ;)

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Reply # 750100 24-Jan-2013 12:05

freitasm: If the Sure Signal came to TelstraClear then that would be something for us to consider ;)

No reason why not,

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Reply # 750130 24-Jan-2013 12:50

So as an ISP if we had an agreement with voda to follow the same QoS rules and had a defined support structure with escalation policy in place there would be no road block really?

Zero rating...meh thats not a barrier really.

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Reply # 750140 24-Jan-2013 12:56

Not a barrier for ISPs, but one for the users.

It would be good if the Sure Signal could come to other ISPs for sure...

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Reply # 750143 24-Jan-2013 12:57

I suspect its got more to do with sticky services to be honest...

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Reply # 750144 24-Jan-2013 12:58

ptinson: So as an ISP if we had an agreement with voda to follow the same QoS rules and had a defined support structure with escalation policy in place there would be no road block really?

Zero rating...meh thats not a barrier really.

Not for me to answer

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Reply # 750145 24-Jan-2013 12:58

johnr:
ptinson: So as an ISP if we had an agreement with voda to follow the same QoS rules and had a defined support structure with escalation policy in place there would be no road block really?

Zero rating...meh thats not a barrier really.

Not for me to answer

Fair enough i wouldnt want to either.

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Reply # 750299 24-Jan-2013 16:28

The Vodafone guy from NZNOG said in his speech that QOS was not the barrier to other ISP's carrying traffic from the Suresignal. In fact other countries (VF UK) do allow just that quite successfully.

From his perspective it was purely a marketing decision and not engineering.

Oooo, and I got the tail end of his speech regarding the use of signal boosters over external RBI infrastructure/antennas.
Can someone else who was there elaborate? From memory some kind of booster device was months away from retail release?

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Reply # 750307 24-Jan-2013 16:38

freitasm: Not a barrier for ISPs, but one for the users.

It would be good if the Sure Signal could come to other ISPs for sure...

Whats there to stop someone using a vpn tunnel through a vf bb connection?

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