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Reply # 64709 22-Mar-2007 16:44
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Dumping a superior technology - Priceless!

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  Reply # 64712 22-Mar-2007 16:52
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many people have compared GSM / CDMA with BETA/VHS

BETA is the surperior technology and is still used in the television industry today but VHS won with superior distrubution and marketing...





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  Reply # 64713 22-Mar-2007 16:54
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Blame Qualcomm for CDMAs slower uptake. If they weren't so anal retentive CDMA would've pwned GSM

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Reply # 64717 22-Mar-2007 17:40
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Jughead:

I like a good coincident so try this one...

Cost to build a new GSM net work, about 1 billion dollars.

guesstimated sale price of yellow pages, about 1 billion dollars...



YPG (Yellow Pages Group) is expected to fetch upto NZD$2.2bn, so that would also leave some spare cash around.

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  Reply # 64731 22-Mar-2007 19:42
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juha: Yeah, could be... kind of makes sense what Sbiddle says, that the operators would be better off cooperating on this.


Since when has cooperation and common sense ever won out in a commercial world? usually years after the customers have been knackered....

It's a good policy - in the UK especially everyone is doing co-lo and national roaming, it's just too hard to do otherwise.

But not after 5 operators spent 5 years dumping a tower on every darn streetlamp, pole, tree, etc... waste of time and money....




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  Reply # 64734 22-Mar-2007 19:47
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Jughead:


Cost to build a new GSM net work, about 1 billion dollars.

guesstimated sale price of yellow pages, about 1 billion dollars...

makes you think...



Telecom could build a network for *far* less than that. Remember they already have huge amounts of infrastructure in place that won't need to be duplicated.


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  Reply # 64738 22-Mar-2007 20:31
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I have no idea how much it would cost I only based my estimate on media reports. How much does a new cell site cost? casuse they need a few hundered of em.





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Jughead: I have no idea how much it would cost I only based my estimate on media reports. How much does a new cell site cost? casuse they need a few hundered of em.


I think the number is about 10-15% more cell sites on a 850MHz UTMS network according to Telecoms latest report anyway.

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Jughead: many people have compared GSM / CDMA with BETA/VHS

BETA is the surperior technology and is still used in the television industry today but VHS won with superior distrubution and marketing...


VHS won because of porn. Sony refused to allow pornographic content to be released on Betamax. If you wanted porn you had to buy VHS.

As far as I know you can probably access porn with GSM or CDMA, so there's no comparison.

And, as an aside, the Beta technologies used in television (BetacamSP, BetacamSX and Digital Betacam) are pretty far removed from the Betamax of old. A better example would be that Betamax technology was the basis of Video8 (and later Hi8) which totally dominated the handycam market.

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That's why they call this place geekzone, I learn something new everyday :)

good old porn aye, it built the internet to





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  Reply # 64975 26-Mar-2007 08:38
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DylanReeve: 

VHS won because of porn. Sony refused to allow pornographic content to be released on Betamax. If you wanted porn you had to buy VHS.



I'm not so sure on that.  I recall reading a brochure from a porn video store (as you do) in about '86 that said that some videos came out only in Beta, and wondering why, since the VHS/Beta war was almost over by then.

My understanding was that when Beta came out, the size of the cassettes meant that you couldn't record 2 hours on it, until later on when the tape thickness reduced to allow it.  That may have reduced desirability for some early customers.


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DylanReeve:

VHS won because of porn. Sony refused to allow pornographic content to be released on Betamax. If you wanted porn you had to buy VHS.



I'm not so sure on that. I recall reading a brochure from a porn video store (as you do) in about '86 that said that some videos came out only in Beta, and wondering why, since the VHS/Beta war was almost over by then.

My understanding was that when Beta came out, the size of the cassettes meant that you couldn't record 2 hours on it, until later on when the tape thickness reduced to allow it. That may have reduced desirability for some early customers.



Sony may have changed their position on it later, but originally they were not allowing Betmax to be used for porn. As such the porn industry adopted VHS for their home-video distribution. Home-video caused an explosion in porn (until then you had to go to a 'cinema' to see it, largely) and was a big boost for VHS.

As for the Beta time limitation - the cassette were originally 1 hour, they managed to increase them to 2-hours and later got them to nearly 4 hours, but the sacrifices to achieve that length came at a price with regard to quality (in the same way that VHS Long Play cuts the quality of VHS). The way Beta was recorded way genuinely better than VHS, but as we all know, for the home market quality isn't necessarily the deciding factor (in fact often it's not).



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  Reply # 64978 26-Mar-2007 09:26
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This should be in a thread of its own, and not hijack the Telecom/Voda co-lo one, but... the VHS owing its success to porn is I believe a myth. In order for theory to hold, there would have to be a large, existing user base of VHS owners wanting to buy mostly porn driving the adult industry, something that clearly wasn't the case.

Betamax was in fact the biggest format, but Sony didn't play nicely with other Japanese makers that turned to an alternative format - VHS. A comparison between the locked-in and proprietary Apple Macintosh design and the open, PC architecture is more apt. Then there was the issue of recording time: VHS offered four hours, but Sony didn't want to do that with Betamax, which was stuck at one hour only.




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juha: This should be in a thread of its own, and not hijack the Telecom/Voda co-lo one, but... the VHS owing its success to porn is I believe a myth. In order for theory to hold, there would have to be a large, existing user base of VHS owners wanting to buy mostly porn driving the adult industry, something that clearly wasn't the case.


Yes it should, but...

It's commonly accepted that the porn industry's adoption of VHS was a large factor. Up until that point there was really no market for home-porn. You had to go to a theatre (let's not even consider the hygiene issues) and watch your porn there. Sony's format was proprietary, yes, and they refused to license it for use by the porn industry. Hence to be able to watch porn you had to have a VHS player.

Betamax was in fact the biggest format, but Sony didn't play nicely with other Japanese makers that turned to an alternative format - VHS. A comparison between the locked-in and proprietary Apple Macintosh design and the open, PC architecture is more apt. Then there was the issue of recording time: VHS offered four hours, but Sony didn't want to do that with Betamax, which was stuck at one hour only.


Sony's fondness for proprietary format has been problematic for them many times, and certainly was then too - but I have no trouble believing that the porn connection played a big part in bringing us that the oh-so-excellent VHS format.

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Reply # 65013 26-Mar-2007 14:05
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any post from here on in that is focussed on porn, beta, vhs, war, video wars, porn wars, porn video wars or similar will be considered offtopic and simply be deleted. Its a great discussion, so if you wish to continue it, create a thread and post the link here (we love internal linking to help people get around to other relevant content)




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