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Topic # 129113 4-Sep-2013 09:57
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When I lived in the UK, Orange offered a service (at least 15 years ago now) which allowed you to have two numbers attached to the same mobile.

So you could have a personal number and a work number with separate call lists and so on and different ring tones.

Do any of the NZ networks offer that yet?





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  Reply # 889490 4-Sep-2013 10:05
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As far as I'm aware you'd require a dual-SIM phone to do this here.




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  Reply # 889495 4-Sep-2013 10:06
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Hi there

On our Vodafone Red Business mobile packages we have a local number on mobile included, so you can have a local number like 09 xxx xxxx as well as your normal 021 xxx xxx number. We don't have capacity to have two mobile numbers on one sim.

There's more info about those Red Business packages here: http://www.vodafone.co.nz/redbusiness/?utm_id=gz

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  Reply # 889504 4-Sep-2013 10:18
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As far as I know You need a higher end Dual Sim phone. I have a galaxy S4 Mini I9192 which was a parrallel import which allows all these features. I don't think my dual Sim Sony Tipo does though I can check tonight. The disadvantage is only 1 sim can use 3g Data at 1 time.

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  Reply # 889528 4-Sep-2013 10:34
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2Degrees also allows you to have a landline on some of their mobile plans too. And pretty sure Telecom have something similar-ish, although it's rarely promoted

But if you want 2 x mobile number then you need a dual sim device, or just two devices...

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  Reply # 889545 4-Sep-2013 10:55
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Just as a bit of history Orange and (back in the day) One2One offered this service using the GSM 1800 2nd line feature. This was a feature added to the DCS1800 (later GSM 1800) spec when it was created by the GSMA and later on added to the GSM 900 spec on newer networks that were phase 2 compatible.

The way dual numbers are handled today in a network is very different.


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  Reply # 889555 4-Sep-2013 11:10
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sbiddle: Just as a bit of history Orange and (back in the day) One2One offered this service using the GSM 1800 2nd line feature. This was a feature added to the DCS1800 (later GSM 1800) spec when it was created by the GSMA and later on added to the GSM 900 spec on newer networks that were phase 2 compatible.

The way dual numbers are handled today in a network is very different.



I'm pretty sure I've seen reference to 'Line 1' and 'Line 2' in my BlackBerry settings somewhere.




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  Reply # 889566 4-Sep-2013 11:36
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ajobbins:
sbiddle: Just as a bit of history Orange and (back in the day) One2One offered this service using the GSM 1800 2nd line feature. This was a feature added to the DCS1800 (later GSM 1800) spec when it was created by the GSMA and later on added to the GSM 900 spec on newer networks that were phase 2 compatible.

The way dual numbers are handled today in a network is very different.



I'm pretty sure I've seen reference to 'Line 1' and 'Line 2' in my BlackBerry settings somewhere.


The feature is there - but most networks just link numbers at switch level these days rather than defining individual lines for a phone.

The advantage of using the individual lines is you can do cool things such as defining what number calls can go out via and specifying different ringtones etc for each line.


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VodafoneDylan: Hi there

On our Vodafone Red Business mobile packages we have a local number on mobile included, so you can have a local number like 09 xxx xxxx as well as your normal 021 xxx xxx number. We don't have capacity to have two mobile numbers on one sim.

There's more info about those Red Business packages here: http://www.vodafone.co.nz/redbusiness/?utm_id=gz

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Why isn't local number on mobile offered for personal plans? I would kill to be able to have my home phone number on my mobile and bet I'm not the only one wishing for this. 

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  Reply # 889619 4-Sep-2013 12:51
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Elpie: Why isn't local number on mobile offered for personal plans? I would kill to be able to have my home phone number on my mobile and bet I'm not the only one wishing for this. 


You could sort of do it now, but not that cheaply. Port number to 2talk (~$7/month) and permanently divert it to your mobile at ~$0.24/minute.

When I was in NZ, I had mine setup to register the VoIP trunk over WiFi when I was home (or at the office), and then when I left WiFi coverage the registration would drop off, which would kick in a call forward unavailable to my mobile number, so I only paid for call forwarding when I was actually out.

Once LTE coverage is comprehensive, you should be able to very reliably register a VoIP line to mobile over LTE data and have excellent call quality.




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  Reply # 889730 4-Sep-2013 15:03
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Seems odd that my basic Nokia in 1995 could do this in the UK but here in 2013 it is apparently too hard..!





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  Reply # 890278 5-Sep-2013 13:00
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I'm not sure how Vodafone have their network configured, but often the IMSI is used as a unique PK on the HLR along with the MSISDN. There is a secondary MSISDN field - for example I have a fax number, so it might have been in the UK you could use this as a second calling number (it might have been configured for voice rather than fax). The question is how many voicemail boxes did you have?


The other option that I can think of is that it might have been an IN (intelligent network) feature such as a VPN Group which gave you two numbers but routed to the same phone.




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  Reply # 890340 5-Sep-2013 14:11
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Elpie:
VodafoneDylan: Hi there

On our Vodafone Red Business mobile packages we have a local number on mobile included, so you can have a local number like 09 xxx xxxx as well as your normal 021 xxx xxx number. We don't have capacity to have two mobile numbers on one sim.

There's more info about those Red Business packages here: http://www.vodafone.co.nz/redbusiness/?utm_id=gz

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Why isn't local number on mobile offered for personal plans? I would kill to be able to have my home phone number on my mobile and bet I'm not the only one wishing for this. 


Vodafone did offer this but pulled the plug on it 18 months or so ago.

There are lots of technicalities around delivering a service such as this - not with the service, but around NAD rules and where numbers can be used. The legalities of this is one of the major issues TelstraClear ran into with their 3G rollout in Tauranga.

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  Reply # 890368 5-Sep-2013 15:09
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sbiddle: Just as a bit of history Orange and (back in the day) One2One offered this service using the GSM 1800 2nd line feature. This was a feature added to the DCS1800 (later GSM 1800) spec when it was created by the GSMA and later on added to the GSM 900 spec on newer networks that were phase 2 compatible.

The way dual numbers are handled today in a network is very different.



The one2one service was actually called Priority Line and used an IN box to offer simple management for a 2-line service.... It was homegrown by the clever bods at one2one but never well integrated with the handset (as in no visual element at all).

Orange out in the gsm enhancement across the uk network that allowed a line 1 and line 2 service, but the handset interface was pretty poor and only barely supported.... And switching between line 1 and line 2 was clunky and slow, meaning it never took off and died an utter death in the market.

Says the man who was in the thick of it at the time :-)





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  Reply # 890370 5-Sep-2013 15:11
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Geektastic: When I lived in the UK, Orange offered a service (at least 15 years ago now) which allowed you to have two numbers attached to the same mobile.

So you could have a personal number and a work number with separate call lists and so on and different ring tones.

Do any of the NZ networks offer that yet?


So.... Since no-one has asked.... What outcome are you trying to achieve and for who?

Giving staff a work phone with separate billing for personal use, monitoring multiple numbers etc?




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  Reply # 890385 5-Sep-2013 15:41
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ajobbins:
Elpie: Why isn't local number on mobile offered for personal plans? I would kill to be able to have my home phone number on my mobile and bet I'm not the only one wishing for this. 


You could sort of do it now, but not that cheaply. Port number to 2talk (~$7/month) and permanently divert it to your mobile at ~$0.24/minute.

When I was in NZ, I had mine setup to register the VoIP trunk over WiFi when I was home (or at the office), and then when I left WiFi coverage the registration would drop off, which would kick in a call forward unavailable to my mobile number, so I only paid for call forwarding when I was actually out.

Once LTE coverage is comprehensive, you should be able to very reliably register a VoIP line to mobile over LTE data and have excellent call quality.


A bit of overkill for me. All I want to be able to do is to keep my home number alive so the very few calls I receive on it can come through. Family won't call my cell from overseas due to costs so I am stuck with a Vodafone homephone line if I want them to be able to call me. 2talk forwarding would soon mount costs up unfortunately. 

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