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# 1012987 26-Mar-2014 10:25

hairy1: Tim doesn't DLM play havoc with latency for the first week or so with packet inspections?

no? DLMs goal is to get latency as low as possible while getting the line as stable and fast at the same time, 95% of the time, this means instantly moving down to DLM-1 and staying there.

DLM is always active on a line, it simply polls to move to a lower DLM profile on much longer wait periods after the 10 day training run.

@Moona, your on DLM-1, your trace doesnt look bad..

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# 1013002 26-Mar-2014 10:51

hio77:
hairy1: Tim doesn't DLM play havoc with latency for the first week or so with packet inspections?

no? DLMs goal is to get latency as low as possible while getting the line as stable and fast at the same time, 95% of the time, this means instantly moving down to DLM-1 and staying there.

DLM is always active on a line, it simply polls to move to a lower DLM profile on much longer wait periods after the 10 day training run.

@Moona, your on DLM-1, your trace doesnt look bad..

Yeh my traces look fine, however in game my problems are far from fine. My friend on Telecom ADSL was in the same game last night and had no issues whatsoever, just me.

Im going to retest tonight anyway, one night of problems is not a great sample. I will get him to do some traces etc tonight also.

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# 1013016 26-Mar-2014 10:52

Moona:
hio77:
hairy1: Tim doesn't DLM play havoc with latency for the first week or so with packet inspections?

no? DLMs goal is to get latency as low as possible while getting the line as stable and fast at the same time, 95% of the time, this means instantly moving down to DLM-1 and staying there.

DLM is always active on a line, it simply polls to move to a lower DLM profile on much longer wait periods after the 10 day training run.

@Moona, your on DLM-1, your trace doesnt look bad..

Yeh my traces look fine, however in game my problems are far from fine. My friend on Telecom ADSL was in the same game last night and had no issues whatsoever, just me.

Im going to retest tonight anyway, one night of problems is not a great sample. I will get him to do some traces etc tonight also.

and was this solidly higher pings, or jitter. where you over wireless? was there another user downloading? uploading?

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# 1013019 26-Mar-2014 11:00

hio77:
Moona:
hio77:
hairy1: Tim doesn't DLM play havoc with latency for the first week or so with packet inspections?

no? DLMs goal is to get latency as low as possible while getting the line as stable and fast at the same time, 95% of the time, this means instantly moving down to DLM-1 and staying there.

DLM is always active on a line, it simply polls to move to a lower DLM profile on much longer wait periods after the 10 day training run.

@Moona, your on DLM-1, your trace doesnt look bad..

Yeh my traces look fine, however in game my problems are far from fine. My friend on Telecom ADSL was in the same game last night and had no issues whatsoever, just me.

Im going to retest tonight anyway, one night of problems is not a great sample. I will get him to do some traces etc tonight also.

and was this solidly higher pings, or jitter. where you over wireless? was there another user downloading? uploading?

Wired, no downloads running, just me who uses the connection so no other devices on the network. Consistently high and spiking between 300-600ms. My mate in the same game sitting at 165ms the whole time this was occurring asking me what I was raging about lol

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# 1013021 26-Mar-2014 11:01

Moona:
hio77:
Moona:
hio77:
hairy1: Tim doesn't DLM play havoc with latency for the first week or so with packet inspections?

no? DLMs goal is to get latency as low as possible while getting the line as stable and fast at the same time, 95% of the time, this means instantly moving down to DLM-1 and staying there.

DLM is always active on a line, it simply polls to move to a lower DLM profile on much longer wait periods after the 10 day training run.

@Moona, your on DLM-1, your trace doesnt look bad..

Yeh my traces look fine, however in game my problems are far from fine. My friend on Telecom ADSL was in the same game last night and had no issues whatsoever, just me.

Im going to retest tonight anyway, one night of problems is not a great sample. I will get him to do some traces etc tonight also.

and was this solidly higher pings, or jitter. where you over wireless? was there another user downloading? uploading?

Wired, no downloads running, just me who uses the connection so no other devices on the network. Consistently high and spiking between 300-600ms. My mate in the same game sitting at 165ms the whole time this was occurring asking me what I was raging about lol

alright, next logical thing to look at...

what time was this?

300-600, ontop of a normal 130~150 certainly sounds like saturation spikes however..

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# 1013026 26-Mar-2014 11:09

hio77:
Moona:
hio77:
Moona:
hio77:
hairy1: Tim doesn't DLM play havoc with latency for the first week or so with packet inspections?

no? DLMs goal is to get latency as low as possible while getting the line as stable and fast at the same time, 95% of the time, this means instantly moving down to DLM-1 and staying there.

DLM is always active on a line, it simply polls to move to a lower DLM profile on much longer wait periods after the 10 day training run.

@Moona, your on DLM-1, your trace doesnt look bad..

Yeh my traces look fine, however in game my problems are far from fine. My friend on Telecom ADSL was in the same game last night and had no issues whatsoever, just me.

Im going to retest tonight anyway, one night of problems is not a great sample. I will get him to do some traces etc tonight also.

and was this solidly higher pings, or jitter. where you over wireless? was there another user downloading? uploading?

Wired, no downloads running, just me who uses the connection so no other devices on the network. Consistently high and spiking between 300-600ms. My mate in the same game sitting at 165ms the whole time this was occurring asking me what I was raging about lol

alright, next logical thing to look at...

what time was this?

300-600, on top of a normal 130~150 certainly sounds like saturation spikes however..

Happened consistently between the hours of 9pm and 1am. Tested at 9am this morning and everything was fine, no spikes or lag in game sitting at a consistent 150ms.

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# 1013027 26-Mar-2014 11:12

Moona:

Happened consistently between the hours of 9pm and 1am. Tested at 9am this morning and everything was fine, no spikes or lag in game sitting at a consistent 150ms.

try leaving ping plotter going for a 24 hour period to key addresses..

do some research into if your problem is just with the single server or not.

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# 1013340 26-Mar-2014 18:27

Played a game at 5.30pm and had a few spikes but bearable 150-230ms throughout game. Hit 6pm and everything turned to crap. Currently hovering around 350-450ms (edit:500+ now) and am spiking and lagging like crazy, moving in frames zzz

Heres an MTR to uswest.battle.net

https://imgur.com/d5OUynA

Again my friend is in the same game with me, Telecom ADSL. No spikes, no lagging 160ms

So frustrated right now. Would never have gone to Vodafone if I new this was going to happen

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# 1013342 26-Mar-2014 18:31

Moona: Played a game at 5.30pm and had a few spikes but bearable 150-230ms throughout game. Hit 6pm and everything turned to crap. Currently hovering around 350-450ms (edit:500+ now) and am spiking and lagging like crazy, moving in frames zzz

Heres an MTR to uswest.battle.net

https://imgur.com/d5OUynA

Again my friend is in the same game with me, Telecom ADSL. No spikes, no lagging 160ms

So frustrated right now. Would never have gone to Vodafone if I new this was going to happen

As spoken about VDSL is not always going to offer better latency over ADSL, The main benefit of VDSL I see is much faster upload,

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# 1013344 26-Mar-2014 18:38

Moona: Played a game at 5.30pm and had a few spikes but bearable 150-230ms throughout game. Hit 6pm and everything turned to crap. Currently hovering around 350-450ms (edit:500+ now) and am spiking and lagging like crazy, moving in frames zzz

Heres an MTR to uswest.battle.net

https://imgur.com/d5OUynA

Again my friend is in the same game with me, Telecom ADSL. No spikes, no lagging 160ms

So frustrated right now. Would never have gone to Vodafone if I new this was going to happen

ouch. looks like a bit of upstream jitter there.

good news is, your on DLM-1, 1ms each way so your VDSL profile isnt really affecting your latency.

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# 1013345 26-Mar-2014 18:41

hio77:
Moona: Played a game at 5.30pm and had a few spikes but bearable 150-230ms throughout game. Hit 6pm and everything turned to crap. Currently hovering around 350-450ms (edit:500+ now) and am spiking and lagging like crazy, moving in frames zzz

Heres an MTR to uswest.battle.net

https://imgur.com/d5OUynA

Again my friend is in the same game with me, Telecom ADSL. No spikes, no lagging 160ms

So frustrated right now. Would never have gone to Vodafone if I new this was going to happen

ouch. looks like a bit of upstream jitter there.

good news is, your on DLM-1, 1ms each way so your VDSL profile isnt really affecting your latency.

Some upstream changes were made early hours of this morning for traffic to / from the US

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# 1015421 30-Mar-2014 15:49

So after a few days of testing etc I have come to the conclusion that gaming is impossible currently. Everything else is fine, in fact great even. Downloads range anywhere between 2-4MB/s, web pages load snappy and videos stream just fine.

I have tested different games hosted in all parts of the world. Tests done to US West and East, Europe, Asia, Australia. Result is the same and gets progressively worse from mid afternoon right through to the early hours

Problem= Constant spiking, high latency that ranges between 300ms-600ms to the point where gaming is impossible. What I have noticed is on initial join of game I will get normal latency(150-170ish) that quickly escalates in a few minutes to double that then sits around the 300-600ms range. It will often spike up really high into the 1000ms range. I am often lagging out of games due to excessive ping

I am currently on my 10th day with Vodafone so I will wait till after today to see if DLM does something drastic until I get in touch with Vodafone

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# 1015422 30-Mar-2014 15:51

Moona: So after a few days of testing etc I have come to the conclusion that gaming is impossible currently. Everything else is fine, in fact great even. Downloads range anywhere between 2-4MB/s, web pages load snappy and videos stream just fine.

I have tested different games hosted in all parts of the world. Tests done to US West and East, Europe, Asia, Australia. Result is the same and gets progressively worse from mid afternoon right through to the early hours

Problem= Constant spiking, high latency that ranges between 300ms-600ms to the point where gaming is impossible. What I have noticed is on initial join of game I will get normal latency(150-170ish) that quickly escalates in a few minutes to double that then sits around the 300-600ms range. It will often spike up really high into the 1000ms range. I am often lagging out of games due to excessive ping

I am currently on my 10th day with Vodafone so I will wait till after today to see if DLM does something drastic until I get in touch with Vodafone

the much of a spike in latency still sounds like saturation bursts...

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# 1015432 30-Mar-2014 16:21

hio77:
Moona: So after a few days of testing etc I have come to the conclusion that gaming is impossible currently. Everything else is fine, in fact great even. Downloads range anywhere between 2-4MB/s, web pages load snappy and videos stream just fine.

I have tested different games hosted in all parts of the world. Tests done to US West and East, Europe, Asia, Australia. Result is the same and gets progressively worse from mid afternoon right through to the early hours

Problem= Constant spiking, high latency that ranges between 300ms-600ms to the point where gaming is impossible. What I have noticed is on initial join of game I will get normal latency(150-170ish) that quickly escalates in a few minutes to double that then sits around the 300-600ms range. It will often spike up really high into the 1000ms range. I am often lagging out of games due to excessive ping

I am currently on my 10th day with Vodafone so I will wait till after today to see if DLM does something drastic until I get in touch with Vodafone

the much of a spike in latency still sounds like saturation bursts...

How would I go about identifying/testing this or hopefully fixing it? :)

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# 1015441 30-Mar-2014 16:40

Moona:
hio77:
Moona: So after a few days of testing etc I have come to the conclusion that gaming is impossible currently. Everything else is fine, in fact great even. Downloads range anywhere between 2-4MB/s, web pages load snappy and videos stream just fine.

I have tested different games hosted in all parts of the world. Tests done to US West and East, Europe, Asia, Australia. Result is the same and gets progressively worse from mid afternoon right through to the early hours

Problem= Constant spiking, high latency that ranges between 300ms-600ms to the point where gaming is impossible. What I have noticed is on initial join of game I will get normal latency(150-170ish) that quickly escalates in a few minutes to double that then sits around the 300-600ms range. It will often spike up really high into the 1000ms range. I am often lagging out of games due to excessive ping

I am currently on my 10th day with Vodafone so I will wait till after today to see if DLM does something drastic until I get in touch with Vodafone

the much of a spike in latency still sounds like saturation bursts...

How would I go about identifying/testing this or hopefully fixing it? :)

well.. start with an isolation and work from there.

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