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  Reply # 75054 18-Jun-2007 18:03
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Hi Chris,


I can answer most of your questions as I've been looking into this issue for about the past year...

pagan: Are the Data plans from the normal Kordia's Extend or the Kordia's Extend lite version?

The Xtencity plans from Xnet are based on Kordia's Extend Lite plans as follows:

SPEED
DATA
COST
(per month incl. GST)

256k/128k
3Gig
$99.00

512k/128k
5Gig
$125.00

512k/256k
5Gig
$129.00

1M/340k
10Gig
$179.00

$1.00 per Gigabyte when usage exceeds cap


In order to connect via any of these plans, your router needs to be set for PPPoE whereas the earlier Extend plans used a VLAN connection.

pagan: And what is the differance if its the lite version?

The "Lite" version has no Committed Information Rate (CIR) unlike the earlier Extend plans.  However, because Kordia's Extend network only has 2000 customers nationwide, this is unlikely to make any difference!

Having no CIR means that you are contending for the available bandwidth with other users on your particular "Shelf" of equipment according to Kordia.  At the transmitter site I am connected to, I am the only customer using my equipment shelf.  So, the lack of CIR will make no difference at all.

If you had a lot of neighbours connected to Kordia Extend (pretty unlikely anytime soon...) who were all doing large downloads or sending large e-mail attachments at once, that is the only time you would possibly notice any degradation in speed.

pagan: Also is local traffic free?

By "Local Traffic" I guess you are referring to traffic within NZ i.e. National traffic.  No, this won't be free.  However, traffic within Xnet's network e.g. VFX traffic and POP3/SMTP e-mail traffic WILL be free.  Keep in mind though, that Xnet's traffic charges will be extremely cheap compared to any of the other ISPs who offer Extend plans:

ICONZ  $130 per GB
InsPire.Net  $120 per GB
Xtra Wireless  $50 per GB
...
Xnet Xtencity  $1 per GB !!!

There's not really too much to worry about if you go over your cap Cool

Now, here's a question for Maverick:

The earlier Press Release concerning Xnet Xtend (as it was called then) referred to 10 Hours per month of free calls to any NZ Landline.  The new Xnet Xtencity page:  http://www.xnet.co.nz/xtencity/  says 6000 Minutes i.e. 100 Hours...

Which is correct?


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  Reply # 75055 18-Jun-2007 18:16
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Thanks Grant

 

I wonder if Xnet was already looking at Kordia before my last posts here?



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  Reply # 75056 18-Jun-2007 18:17
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Will let you know Grant, my pick before confirmation is that it should be 600 Minutes Wink, so I'm guessing Typo




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  Reply # 75061 18-Jun-2007 18:32
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Is there is a list of towns on the xnet website anywhere saying where you can use VFX? (i.e what towns have a POI)

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  Reply # 75065 18-Jun-2007 18:52
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DjShadow: Is there is a list of towns on the xnet website anywhere saying where you can use VFX? (i.e what towns have a POI)


http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=65&TopicId=10392





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  Reply # 75068 18-Jun-2007 18:53
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DjShadow: Is there is a list of towns on the xnet website anywhere saying where you can use VFX? (i.e what towns have a POI)

It's not on the Xnet web site for some reason, but right here on GZ:

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=65&TopicId=10392

As posted by Maverick a few months back.  Must be due for an update soon???

Note to Mods:
It would be handy if the above-mentioned thread was made "Sticky" so it stays at the top of the list (took me quite a while to find it...).

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  Reply # 75069 18-Jun-2007 19:05
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Thats a good idea to make it sticky, "Check before you sign up"Smile



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  Reply # 75072 18-Jun-2007 19:19
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maverick: Not a typo at this stage Wink, Our Sales director Cecil Alexander and Operations Director Paul Clarkin are looking to offer Value Services and Prices on a quality product / network Laughing

Another question for Maverick:

STATIC IP Address on Xnet Xtencity

Other Kordia RSPs have the following policies:

ICONZ   Included at No Extra Charge
InsPire  Included at No Extra Charge
Xtra      Not available (changes every 12 hours approx)

What will be Xnet's policy regarding Static IP addresses on this service?

*  Availability?
*  Extra Charge?


Thanks Phil.

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  Reply # 75080 18-Jun-2007 19:53
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Grant17:
wmoore: This will be great for my parents who live 7km west of Warkworth.....But I have just checked the coverage on the Kordia website and I see that they are not in the coverage area...

I know some people out further west well beyond Woodcocks and they are using the Extend service. So it is possible, but you need a high point with a line-of-sight path to Horokaka. Probably would also need a High-gain 25dB grid antenna as well (that is what I am using).

In the case mentioned above, they built a repeater station on a nearby hilltop and ran a WiFi link back to their house.

Given the very poor uptake so far versus the $ spent, I cannot see Kordia extending the coverage for some time to come. It's a matter of making the best use of what is available. If they were nearer to Auckland, the Wired Country service would be another option.


Wired Country has coverage from north of Leigh down I believe, I have seen kit in Warkworth.


That would be correct , I believe these were the V5.2 interface that would have been used,  not 100% sure on this as I am not familiar with the Airspan kit so corrct me if I'm wrong here


V5.2 yes, CAS was supported too. Made sense at the time but now looks a bit antiquated.







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  Reply # 75082 18-Jun-2007 19:59
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Fraktul: V5.2 yes, CAS was supported too. Made sense at the time but now looks a bit antiquated.

Aaahh, at last, someone who knows about those RJ11 ports...  Thanks Fraktul  Smile

To improve my knowledge, could you tell me:

*  V5.2 of what?  Is it an earlier SIP standard?  Or H323?
*  What is CAS?

Thanks for your help.

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  Reply # 75084 18-Jun-2007 20:08
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Associated_Signaling
http://www.protocols.com/pbook/v5.htm

Nothing to do with VoIP.

I still have a couple of STUs sitting round in storage I think. Oh well, I can put them to use again shortly.



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  Reply # 75088 18-Jun-2007 20:29
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Fraktul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Associated_Signaling

Thanks for that, just what I was looking for.  Now, where the Wiki says:

"With CAS signaling, this routing information is encoded and transmitted in the same channel as the payload itself. This information can be transmitted in the same band (in-band signalling) or a separate band (out-of-band signalling) to the payload.  CAS potentially results in lower available bandwidth for the payload. For example, in the PSTN the use of out-of-band signalling within a fixed bandwidth reduces a 64 kbit/s DS0 to 56 kbit/s."

Do you know if In-band or Out-of-band signalling was used in the case of the AirSpan STUs?

If it is Out-of-band, it means that reserved bandwidth (for the 2 Voice Circuits) is sitting idle in the system.  Since Kordia did not release the "Lite" plans with extra Upload / Download rates until more than 2 years after they launched the service, I'm wondering if the reserved bandwidth is now being utilised by the "Lite" plans?

Fraktul: http://www.protocols.com/pbook/v5.htm

Nothing to do with VoIP... Made sense at the time but now looks a bit antiquated.

Yeah, I see what you mean.  ISDN Primary Rate is about as far as this protocol goes.  Not really a lot of use once the NGN comes on-line...

Thanks Fraktul.

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  Reply # 75089 18-Jun-2007 20:50
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Hmmm, the inband and out of band they are talking about in the CAS description is different from the voice traffic being inband or out of band in the airspan kit.

The voice traffic on the Airspans would be physically inband and logically out of band AFAIK. Eg they would probably utilise the same RF channel but be handeled differently by the RF schedualer at the STU and base station for the appropriate scheduling CoS, while also seperate at layer 2, eg your data traffic comes out at both ends as ethernet frames, however the voice does not.

The Voice traffic would take priority over data traffic in this instance, however there would still be the ability for the data traffic to utilize this extra bandwidth if it was not being used by RF schedulaer for voice at that time.

Thats my understanding anyhow..

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  Reply # 75149 19-Jun-2007 10:26
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Grant17:
maverick: Not a typo at this stage Wink, Our Sales director Cecil Alexander and Operations Director Paul Clarkin are looking to offer Value Services and Prices on a quality product / network Laughing

Another question for Maverick:

STATIC IP Address on Xnet Xtencity

Other Kordia RSPs have the following policies:

ICONZ   Included at No Extra Charge
InsPire  Included at No Extra Charge
Xtra      Not available (changes every 12 hours approx)

What will be Xnet's policy regarding Static IP addresses on this service?

*  Availability?
*  Extra Charge?


Thanks Phil.



At this stage Static IP by Default , no charge Laughing




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