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# 140797 20-Feb-2014 15:20
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We're currently On the 60gb light speed cable

Got an offer in the mail today offering 80gb and ultra fast 50 for about the same price we pay now

The download speed certainly looks impressive (50 down)

What I'd like to know is why the upload speed is still 2mb/s

Heck even VDSL which is the same price is 10mb/s upload (that's what my grandparents get anyway)

It should be at least 5 or 10 shouldn't it? Considering VDSL is the same price

Or is this a limitation of the docsis they use

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  # 992366 22-Feb-2014 15:53
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in the mail you say, im hoping the offer is extended to some of us long term cable customers....... Cheers Vodafone.... hint hint




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  # 992368 22-Feb-2014 15:55
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Business decision I suspect

 
 
 
 


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  # 992370 22-Feb-2014 16:06
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Yabanize:

Or is this a limitation of the docsis they use


Good question there, Wondered the same myself. Will query on Monday.
I think its partially related to the profiling on DOCSIS.



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  # 1002293 10-Mar-2014 19:24
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TimA:
Yabanize:

Or is this a limitation of the docsis they use


Good question there, Wondered the same myself. Will query on Monday.
I think its partially related to the profiling on DOCSIS.


Any updates there?

 

 

 

If it is throttled, I think it should be put up to match VDSL

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  # 1002294 10-Mar-2014 19:25
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Yabanize:
TimA:
Yabanize:

Or is this a limitation of the docsis they use


Good question there, Wondered the same myself. Will query on Monday.
I think its partially related to the profiling on DOCSIS.


Any updates there?   If it is throttled, I think it should be put up to match VDSL


Limitations.
Its due to the channels used by DOCSIS.

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  # 1002316 10-Mar-2014 19:44
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Yabanize: ... Got an offer in the mail today offering 80gb and ultra fast 50 for about the same price we pay now
The download speed certainly looks impressive (50 down)
What I'd like to know is why the upload speed is still 2mb/s ...


Good question.
I have recently downgraded from VF cable 130/10 to 50/2 on a trial basis (saving $30 per month):

1.  I do get the full advertised 50/2Mbps speed.
2.  The 50Mbps downstream speed is not a great problem, as most international connections are not much faster than this.
3.  The 2Mbps upstream is a very real problem - it is much easier to saturate upstream than it is with 10Mbps.
4.  80GB per month is a low data cap for such a (relatively) fast connection. Pay for 150 GB if you can.

I suspect that the 2Mbps upstream limit is designed to blackmail moderate or heavy users into paying another $30pm. Vodafone have always been stingy with their data caps (very recently increased in response to market pressure) but they remain stingy with upload speeds.




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  # 1002318 10-Mar-2014 19:54
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Yabanize: ... Got an offer in the mail today offering 80gb and ultra fast 50 for about the same price we pay now
The download speed certainly looks impressive (50 down)
What I'd like to know is why the upload speed is still 2mb/s ...


Good question.
I have recently downgraded from VF cable 130/10 to 50/2 on a trial basis (saving $30 per month):

1.  I do get the full advertised 50/2Mbps speed.
2.  The 50Mbps downstream speed is not a great problem, as most international connections are not much faster than this.
3.  The 2Mbps upstream is a very real problem - it is much easier to saturate upstream than it is with 10Mbps.
4.  80GB per month is a low data cap for such a (relatively) fast connection. Pay for 150 GB if you can.

I suspect that the 2Mbps upstream limit is designed to blackmail moderate or heavy users into paying another $30pm. Vodafone have always been stingy with their data caps (very recently increased in response to market pressure) but they remain stingy with upload speeds.


I wouldnt put it down to blackmail...

If you research a bit you will find DOCSIS uses carriers and channels. Only XYZ can be used in XYZ order. Our network is setup in a way that we have 2Mbp/s upload and 50Mbp/s download. Now, Like it or leave it?




 
 
 
 


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  # 1002338 10-Mar-2014 20:06
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Technology related not blackmail as Tim has pointed out



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  # 1002349 10-Mar-2014 20:18
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Thanks Tim and JohnR

Yeah I think it would have to be 150 or higher. more breathing room, I still think you should offer unlimited!

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  # 1002351 10-Mar-2014 20:26
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TimA:
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Yabanize: ... Got an offer in the mail today offering 80gb and ultra fast 50 for about the same price we pay now
The download speed certainly looks impressive (50 down)
What I'd like to know is why the upload speed is still 2mb/s ...


Good question.
I have recently downgraded from VF cable 130/10 to 50/2 on a trial basis (saving $30 per month):

1.  I do get the full advertised 50/2Mbps speed.
2.  The 50Mbps downstream speed is not a great problem, as most international connections are not much faster than this.
3.  The 2Mbps upstream is a very real problem - it is much easier to saturate upstream than it is with 10Mbps.
4.  80GB per month is a low data cap for such a (relatively) fast connection. Pay for 150 GB if you can.

I suspect that the 2Mbps upstream limit is designed to blackmail moderate or heavy users into paying another $30pm. Vodafone have always been stingy with their data caps (very recently increased in response to market pressure) but they remain stingy with upload speeds.


I wouldnt put it down to blackmail...

If you research a bit you will find DOCSIS uses carriers and channels. Only XYZ can be used in XYZ order. Our network is setup in a way that we have 2Mbp/s upload and 50Mbp/s download. Now, Like it or leave it?





Am having a hard time putting together your statement re 50 & 2 and the table you provided. Even if we didn't have DOCSIS 3.0 modems, it would appear it should be able to handle 50Mbits down and 27Mbits up?

Taking a look at my modem stats, it appears it is connected (and maybe I'm wrong) with 8 channels down and 2 channels up. With your table then it appears it should then support 400Mbits down and 54Mbits up.

So wondering (so I can sound all knowledgable and stuff ;) ) if you can help my understanding of DOCSIS restrictions which mean only 2Mbits up with a 50Mbits down?

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  # 1005172 13-Mar-2014 20:18
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r2b2: 

Am having a hard time putting together your statement re 50 & 2 and the table you provided. Even if we didn't have DOCSIS 3.0 modems, it would appear it should be able to handle 50Mbits down and 27Mbits up?

Taking a look at my modem stats, it appears it is connected (and maybe I'm wrong) with 8 channels down and 2 channels up. With your table then it appears it should then support 400Mbits down and 54Mbits up.

So wondering (so I can sound all knowledgable and stuff ;) ) if you can help my understanding of DOCSIS restrictions which mean only 2Mbits up with a 50Mbits down?


I see your view point.
Now it isnt just boom you now have 27up and 54down with a simple back end change but more closer to redesigning the network. You would have contention on nodes and so on. Its also a good question to ask Chorus why they have limited UFB and why they have limited VDSL to 10Mbp/s up. At the time of allocation of bandwidth for our cable network the setup was to run in that configuration.
One thing to note this network was designed in 1990's, And your telling me its a comparison to VDSL? Cable was designed for TV. No one dreamed of it running data nor any intention of any upstream.

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  # 1005176 13-Mar-2014 20:24
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TimA:
One thing to note this network was designed in 1990's, And your telling me its a comparison to VDSL? Cable was designed for TV. No one dreamed of it running data nor any intention of any upstream.


So why is Vodafone saying we shouldn't build UFB (Fibre) in wellington/christchurch where vodafone has cable then, if cable isn't a replacement for UFB due to this?


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  # 1005196 13-Mar-2014 20:40
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kyhwana2:
TimA:
One thing to note this network was designed in 1990's, And your telling me its a comparison to VDSL? Cable was designed for TV. No one dreamed of it running data nor any intention of any upstream.


So why is Vodafone saying we shouldn't build UFB (Fibre) in wellington/christchurch where vodafone has cable then, if cable isn't a replacement for UFB due to this?



I am sure we could pump the cable network up if needed to a fine 400Mbp/s and 100Mbp/s . Why they proposed that isnt my concern nor is it my area. 

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