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  Reply # 1035419 2-May-2014 13:24
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plambrechtsen:
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TimA:
brucehoult: I read the terms. It says:

"Non-residential, commercial purposes will include (but is not limited to) selling bandwidth to third parties or running an Internet Service Provider."

I am providing bandwidth to a 3rd party in another residence, and they are giving me money to do so. Is doing so on a cost share rather than for-profit basis sufficient to make me "not an ISP".

If the other dude starts downloading Miley Cyrus MP3s and getting me copyright infringement notices then you can be pretty damn sure I'll be claiming I *AM* an ISP for the purposes of that legislation!



Not that anyone should download Miley Cyrus full stop you would be liable for an infringement as its your service.


Not to mention an infringement for bad taste in music.

Sorry I couldn't resist. Like whomever you like to listen to and ignore anyone to comments about it :) 



In his defense, he did say 'the other dude'. :)

As an aside: TimA and VodafoneDylan apparently have a wager going on to see if TimA can download 2TB this month. My money's on Tim. :P


Tim... Here is a great download to get if you were looking for something sizeable to prove the point of who can download more. Its somewhat questionable content... but at least not copyright material.


Hey now! no helping him! hes already ran out of ideas 250GB down the track! not to mention disk space.

NonprayingMantis:
PhantomNVD:

As an aside: TimA and VodafoneDylan apparently have a wager going on to see if TimA can download 2TB this month. My money's on Tim. :P

Tim... Here is a great download to get if you were looking for something sizeable to prove the point of who can download more. Its somewhat questionable content... but at least not copyright material.


@TimA and here's another legit torrent of 641GB too :)

"Another sizeable torrent that was released just a few days ago is the archive of the late Geocities.com that was shut down by Yahoo last year. The 641.32 GB torrent has received a fair bit of attention from tech journalists and is well seeded at the moment."

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5923737/Geocities_-_The_Torrent 


Well seeded?


I just looked on pirate bay and it currently has exactly 0 seeders, and 2 'leechers'



your forgetting to consider DHT.




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  Reply # 1035443 2-May-2014 13:59
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hio77:

your forgetting to consider DHT.


what he said ^^

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1035470 2-May-2014 14:15
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These unlimited plans might actually help True Net quite a bit since people will be willing to allow them to use larger amounts of their data, more people might sign up as well.







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  Reply # 1035475 2-May-2014 14:20
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solaybro: These unlimited plans might actually help True Net quite a bit since people will be willing to allow them to use larger amounts of their data, more people might sign up as well.


if someone is going unlimited for the purpose of ramming data down the pipe though it would make stats unreliable, so its kinda a two sided blade..




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  Reply # 1035478 2-May-2014 14:24
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And that's why "unlimited" plans are a trap. Some people will download anything and everything just "because I can"...

Don't complain later if more restricting traffic management comes in place. Or if a company decides to cancel the plan (Telecom tried three times). 





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  Reply # 1035486 2-May-2014 14:38
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freitasm: And that's why "unlimited" plans are a trap. Some people will download anything and everything just "because I can"...

Don't complain later if more restricting traffic management comes in place. Or if a company decides to cancel the plan (Telecom tried three times). 



Hope you don't mind if the folks not on the unlimited plans have a little whine about it if it goes that way again this time.

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  Reply # 1035517 2-May-2014 15:18
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russelo: I used to always maximized my cap before it resets so I can say that I got my money's worth.
Getting 150% usage or more somehow makes me grin.

That happiness is now taken away from me with this unlimited cap.
There's no point downloading gigabytes of useless data where there's no limit to break.


While russelo's comment and TimA's 2 Tb bet might be examples of "ramming data" just because they can i seriously doubt that this is 'normal' practice, and more than most of the other things people discuss here every day :D

Netflix for e.g. is a no-brain-required decision and really easily set up (if your wire has the capacity *sigh*) buy how come so few people outside geezone's close friends and family even try?

Plus as someone in this or the Snap thread just said, once the Big Four, and quite a few of the smaller ISP's all share out the heavy users (rather than any single ISP getting ALL of them) surely even our single line out to the word will be able to handle this ok?

Unlimited is pretty much REQUIRED for HD streaming, as many services are heading toward now, isn't it?

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  Reply # 1035523 2-May-2014 15:28
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hio77:


your forgetting to consider DHT.


I clicked on the link provided (to pirate bay)

But really if pirate bay has 0 seeders, it's pretty unlikely there are going to be all that many on private trackers.

SOmething popular like GoT  gets hundreds of thousands of seeders on pirate bay.

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  Reply # 1035529 2-May-2014 15:34
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PhantomNVD: Unlimited is pretty much REQUIRED for HD streaming, as many services are heading toward now, isn't it?


Nope

Youtube recommend 2.5mbps for 720p streaming, which is about 1GB/hour, so on a 500GB plan, that's 500 hours of viewing, or about 16 hours per day.

Of course, Netflix on their HD settings say about 3 GB/hour, so that's only 5.5 hours per day, every day, for a month.

Yes of course you have other things to spend your bandwidth on, but there's no way that unlimited is required for every heavy use of streaming HD video.

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  Reply # 1035532 2-May-2014 15:35
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NonprayingMantis:
hio77:


your forgetting to consider DHT.


I clicked on the link provided (to pirate bay)

But really if pirate bay has 0 seeders, it's pretty unlikely there are going to be all that many on private trackers.

SOmething popular like GoT  gets hundreds of thousands of seeders on pirate bay.


so click the magnet link and see?

GoT is (unfortunately) an illegal torrent and we were just trying to find legal ways for TimA to reach his goal... 

Nuff said, sorry I tried! ;)

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  Reply # 1035533 2-May-2014 15:36
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I wonder what Amazon Prime 720P Streaming uses.

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  Reply # 1035534 2-May-2014 15:37
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networkn: I wonder what Amazon Prime 720P Streaming uses.


Would have been faster to google it than make your post.

To watch HD videos you need a fast broadband connection (3.5Mbits/sec or higher). Our 2.5Mbps HD files are streamed in high-quality 720p resolution.

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  Reply # 1035545 2-May-2014 15:50
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Talkiet:
networkn: I wonder what Amazon Prime 720P Streaming uses.


Would have been faster to google it than make your post.

To watch HD videos you need a fast broadband connection (3.5Mbits/sec or higher). Our 2.5Mbps HD files are streamed in high-quality 720p resolution.

Cheers - N



This is where it gets interesting.   That 2.5Mbps of bandwidth (all international since it is Amazon) is costing your ISP approx $50/month. If you are streaming at peak time (which is highly likely) then you as a customer are instantly unprofitable to the ISP

Now, as long as only a small number of people are using Netflix/Amazon etc,  that will be fine, since most other people browsing use only a few Kbps so it all averages down to something that is affordable. e.g. 150-300Kbps, which might cost around $3-6 per customers on average.

However,  if Netflix and other global stuff really takes off this will cause serious problems to all ISPs as that average will go up.
With unlimited data, it seems highly likely that this will happen.
The price of international is coming down, however the average quality stream is also going up (Netflix do super HD which is 7Mbps).  WHo knows what the result of that race will be?

The main thing that might stop/slow it, is if we get decent locally hosted streaming video.  So maybe if Telecom's thing takes off, or Netflix decide to launch here and put in a CDN, it will ease the pain of international on the ISPs.

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  Reply # 1035553 2-May-2014 15:55
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I would imagine that if NetFlix expanded internationally, a lot of the larger ISP's may consider putting on their OWN CDN if those numbers you are touting are correct (I'd like to know where those numbers come from).

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  Reply # 1035565 2-May-2014 16:00
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networkn: I would imagine that if NetFlix expanded internationally, a lot of the larger ISP's may consider putting on their OWN CDN if those numbers you are touting are correct (I'd like to know where those numbers come from).


The $20/Mbps as the cost of international has been mentioned before,   and the $3-6 per customer is a guess, although Telecom put out a press release recently about how international costs the average ISP $3


Yes, of course they would,  that was my point.   But right now, with people accessing netflix/Amazon via VPNs and smart DNS there is no way (AFAIK) to actually cache that content in NZ (unlike, say, youtube where lots is cached locally), so anybody using Netflix on a regular basis at peak time is actually making a loss for that ISP

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