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  #1041674 11-May-2014 12:43
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TimA: I am on DLM2 with a 8MS interleaved delay. usually translates to 12-15ms real world
Tracing route to ftp.citylink.co.nz [202.7.6.9]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  fritz.box [192.168.178.1]
  2    36 ms    54 ms    77 ms  UNASSIGNED.static.cust.vf.net.nz [203.109.150.25
4]
  3    21 ms    20 ms    20 ms  be7-188.ppnzftc02.akl.vf.net.nz.180.109.203.in-a
ddr.arpa [203.109.180.226]
  4    20 ms    20 ms    23 ms  be8-188.ppnzftc02.akl.vf.net.nz.180.109.203.in-a
ddr.arpa [203.109.180.225]
  5    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  citylink-corp-ak030-rt1.ape.nzix.net [192.203.15
4.147]
  6    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  ftp.citylink.co.nz [202.7.6.9]

Trace complete.

Usually i ping trademe at 6ms but on DLM2 with 8ms delay i ping at 33ms


These traceroutes raise an interesting question. By the look of things, I assume that Vodafone is peered with NZIX (or at least WIX). However Telstra (cable at least) connections are still going out overseas and back to get to somewhere like ftp,citylink.co.nz.

Are there any plans to consolidate the traffic so that the TCL traffic can be shunted across like Vodafone traffic seems to be already?

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  #1041676 11-May-2014 12:45
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r2b2:
TimA: I am on DLM2 with a 8MS interleaved delay. usually translates to 12-15ms real world
Tracing route to ftp.citylink.co.nz [202.7.6.9]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  fritz.box [192.168.178.1]
  2    36 ms    54 ms    77 ms  UNASSIGNED.static.cust.vf.net.nz [203.109.150.25
4]
  3    21 ms    20 ms    20 ms  be7-188.ppnzftc02.akl.vf.net.nz.180.109.203.in-a
ddr.arpa [203.109.180.226]
  4    20 ms    20 ms    23 ms  be8-188.ppnzftc02.akl.vf.net.nz.180.109.203.in-a
ddr.arpa [203.109.180.225]
  5    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  citylink-corp-ak030-rt1.ape.nzix.net [192.203.15
4.147]
  6    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  ftp.citylink.co.nz [202.7.6.9]

Trace complete.

Usually i ping trademe at 6ms but on DLM2 with 8ms delay i ping at 33ms


These traceroutes raise an interesting question. By the look of things, I assume that Vodafone is peered with NZIX (or at least WIX). However Telstra (cable at least) connections are still going out overseas and back to get to somewhere like ftp,citylink.co.nz.

Are there any plans to consolidate the traffic so that the TCL traffic can be shunted across like Vodafone traffic seems to be already?


Provide trace route and ill raise a ticket if local traffic goes over seas and back.

 
 
 
 


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  #1041686 11-May-2014 12:52
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  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  READYSHARE [192.168.1.1]
  2     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  3    10 ms     8 ms     9 ms  lo0.internet.ivpn.pe25.telstraclear.net [218.101.61.124]
  4    19 ms    19 ms    18 ms  ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.2]
  5    18 ms    18 ms    19 ms  ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.251]
  6    23 ms    22 ms    27 ms  unknown.telstraglobal.net [134.159.174.37]
  7   146 ms   146 ms   147 ms  i-0-6-1-0.tlot-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.84.142.157]
  8   145 ms   145 ms   144 ms  i-0-4-0-0.tlot02.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.251.238]
  9   149 ms   144 ms   145 ms  mpr1.lax2.us.above.net [206.223.123.71]
 10   145 ms   146 ms   144 ms  ae12.cr1.lax112.us.above.net [64.125.20.229]
 11   169 ms   156 ms   159 ms  ae3.cr1.sjc2.us.above.net [64.125.26.26]
 12   156 ms   181 ms   157 ms  ae11.mpr3.sfo3.us.above.net [64.125.24.186]
 13   184 ms   155 ms   156 ms  208.185.20.94.ISO-0031774.above.net [208.185.20.94]
 14   156 ms   155 ms   154 ms  207.7.129.14
 15   156 ms   156 ms   155 ms  ftp.citylink.co.nz [202.7.6.9]

Trace complete.
That show you what you need TimA? Trace from Mt Cook, Wellington on Cable

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  #1041687 11-May-2014 12:52
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TimA:
r2b2:
TimA: I am on DLM2 with a 8MS interleaved delay. usually translates to 12-15ms real world
Tracing route to ftp.citylink.co.nz [202.7.6.9]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  fritz.box [192.168.178.1]
  2    36 ms    54 ms    77 ms  UNASSIGNED.static.cust.vf.net.nz [203.109.150.25
4]
  3    21 ms    20 ms    20 ms  be7-188.ppnzftc02.akl.vf.net.nz.180.109.203.in-a
ddr.arpa [203.109.180.226]
  4    20 ms    20 ms    23 ms  be8-188.ppnzftc02.akl.vf.net.nz.180.109.203.in-a
ddr.arpa [203.109.180.225]
  5    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  citylink-corp-ak030-rt1.ape.nzix.net [192.203.15
4.147]
  6    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  ftp.citylink.co.nz [202.7.6.9]

Trace complete.

Usually i ping trademe at 6ms but on DLM2 with 8ms delay i ping at 33ms


These traceroutes raise an interesting question. By the look of things, I assume that Vodafone is peered with NZIX (or at least WIX). However Telstra (cable at least) connections are still going out overseas and back to get to somewhere like ftp,citylink.co.nz.

Are there any plans to consolidate the traffic so that the TCL traffic can be shunted across like Vodafone traffic seems to be already?


Provide trace route and ill raise a ticket if local traffic goes over seas and back.


Think there was one back in the post chain a bit which alerted me to the fact - but here's mine:

1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.700 ms 2.172 ms 2.179 ms
2 * * *
3 lo0.internet.ivpn.pe25.telstraclear.net (218.101.61.124) 12.135 ms 13.366 ms 13.357 ms
4 ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net (203.98.50.2) 21.739 ms 22.250 ms 22.239 ms
5 * * *
6 unknown.telstraglobal.net (134.159.174.37) 22.192 ms unknown.telstraglobal.net (134.159.174.41) 24.244 ms 23.237 ms
7 i-0-6-1-1.tlot-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.223.85) 145.739 ms i-0-6-4-0.tlot-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.142.110) 149.690 ms i-0-0-4-0.tlot-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.142.118) 147.914 ms
8 i-0-4-0-0.tlot02.bi.telstraglobal.net (202.84.251.238) 145.579 ms i-0-4-0-3.tlot02.bi.telstraglobal.net (202.84.251.242) 144.881 ms i-0-4-0-2.tlot02.bi.telstraglobal.net (202.84.251.234) 148.208 ms
9 mpr1.lax2.us.above.net (206.223.123.71) 173.714 ms 173.138 ms 169.436 ms
10 ae12.cr1.lax112.us.above.net (64.125.20.229) 144.281 ms 144.932 ms 144.763 ms
11 ae3.cr1.sjc2.us.above.net (64.125.26.26) 154.155 ms 156.327 ms 150.727 ms
12 ae11.mpr3.sfo3.us.above.net (64.125.24.186) 152.100 ms 157.475 ms 155.356 ms
13 208.185.20.94.ISO-0031774.above.net (208.185.20.94) 159.126 ms 158.595 ms 156.679 ms
14 207.7.129.14 (207.7.129.14) 156.320 ms 161.938 ms 160.928 ms
15 ftp.citylink.co.nz (202.7.6.9) 161.002 ms 156.177 ms 156.640 ms

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  #1041688 11-May-2014 12:56
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Probably historic as Telstra don't/didn't peer at WIX or APE :/

mwh

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  #1041761 11-May-2014 16:37
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ftp.citylink.co.nz is in two (three?) different places. If you're on the Telstra network you get it from the server that's physically in the US because they don't peer at WIX. Strictly it isn't local traffic going overseas and back, it's international traffic that could just as well be local.

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  #1041765 11-May-2014 16:45
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Someone should provide a trace route soon and we will see anyway.


Lol,
Mad at my ping times?
H:\>tracert ftp.citylink.co.nz

Tracing route to ftp.citylink.co.nz [202.7.6.9]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    31 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.106.101.3
  2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.107.114.181
  3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  4    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.106.32.3
  5    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.106.32.11
  6     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  172.31.232.34
  7     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  172.31.232.13
  8     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  202-73-207-165.vodafone.net.nz [202.73.206.165]
  9     2 ms     1 ms     3 ms  213.143.109.203.ip.ihug.net [203.109.143.213]
 10     3 ms     1 ms     1 ms  172.27.86.97
 11     3 ms     2 ms     2 ms  206.180.109.203.ip.ihug.net [203.109.180.206]
 12     2 ms     2 ms     2 ms  citylink-corp-ak030-rt1.ape.nzix.net [192.203.154.147]
 13     2 ms     2 ms     2 ms  ftp.citylink.co.nz [202.7.6.9]

Trace complete.

H:\>ping trademe.co.nz

Pinging trademe.co.nz [202.162.73.2] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 202.162.73.2: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=240
Reply from 202.162.73.2: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=240
Reply from 202.162.73.2: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=240
Reply from 202.162.73.2: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=240

Ping statistics for 202.162.73.2:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 8ms, Average = 3ms

H:\>

 
 
 
 


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  #1041800 11-May-2014 18:22
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mwh: ftp.citylink.co.nz is in two (three?) different places. If you're on the Telstra network you get it from the server that's physically in the US because they don't peer at WIX. Strictly it isn't local traffic going overseas and back, it's international traffic that could just as well be local.


Pretty sure it's only in one location, it's just how it routes there (Wellington). The reason this happens is because Telstra and Telecom require content providers and ISPs to pay to peer with them.

So, because Citylink won't pay to peer with them the traffic ends up going via America. That's my understanding of it anyway.

mwh

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  #1041884 11-May-2014 22:02
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JamesL:
mwh: ftp.citylink.co.nz is in two (three?) different places. If you're on the Telstra network you get it from the server that's physically in the US because they don't peer at WIX. Strictly it isn't local traffic going overseas and back, it's international traffic that could just as well be local.


Pretty sure it's only in one location, it's just how it routes there (Wellington). The reason this happens is because Telstra and Telecom require content providers and ISPs to pay to peer with them.

So, because Citylink won't pay to peer with them the traffic ends up going via America. That's my understanding of it anyway.

It is very definitely in at least two locations. There's possibly one in Auckland too. You can easily verify it just by accessing it from multiple locations, or doing some calculations on the ping times.

This is from a server in Fremont, California:

# ping ftp.citylink.co.nz
PING ftp.citylink.co.nz (202.7.6.9) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ftp.citylink.co.nz (202.7.6.9): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=3.97 ms
64 bytes from ftp.citylink.co.nz (202.7.6.9): icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=3.18 ms

So there must be a server over there. I think it's in Los Angeles, from memory.

Here's a ping from a server in Wellington that goes through WIX:

]ping ftp.citylink.co.nz
PING ftp.citylink.co.nz (202.7.6.9) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ftp.citylink.co.nz (202.7.6.9): icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=9.67 ms
64 bytes from ftp.citylink.co.nz (202.7.6.9): icmp_seq=2 ttl=60 time=9.75 ms

That's in Wellington.

And finally from Wellington, with an ex-TCL cable connection:

]ping ftp.citylink.co.nz
PING ftp.citylink.co.nz (202.7.6.9) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ftp.citylink.co.nz (202.7.6.9): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=177 ms
64 bytes from ftp.citylink.co.nz (202.7.6.9): icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=171 ms

That's in the US again. It's even slightly better than the ping to Fremont, so it's definitely not going across the Pacific and back twice. It makes sense for Citylink to double up that way since otherwise it'd be international for them too - it's the same thing TVNZ was/is doing for TVNZ On Demand, for example, and Citylink gets legitimately international traffic as well. Everyone just goes to the version of 202.7.6.9 that's network-closest to them, which is in Wellington if you peer at WIX or APE and in the US if you don't.

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  #1041901 11-May-2014 22:44
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JamesL:
mwh: ftp.citylink.co.nz is in two (three?) different places. If you're on the Telstra network you get it from the server that's physically in the US because they don't peer at WIX. Strictly it isn't local traffic going overseas and back, it's international traffic that could just as well be local.


Pretty sure it's only in one location, it's just how it routes there (Wellington). The reason this happens is because Telstra and Telecom require content providers and ISPs to pay to peer with them.

So, because Citylink won't pay to peer with them the traffic ends up going via America. That's my understanding of it anyway.


Folks, two pages discussing this, when the answer is above. TelstraClear did not peer with Citylink in WLG and all traffic ALWAYS had to go to the USA and back. Vodafone continues to operate separate networks: people on cable see things differently from what people on DSL see. 

I suggest no need for tracert and other stuff, as this is known and won't be "fixed" soon.





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  #1042681 12-May-2014 21:36
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Huge thanks to TimA for the contact over the weekend and ensuring things are as I wanted - great customer service ;-)  Looking forward to the install now!

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  #1045203 14-May-2014 23:25
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Bit the bullet and signed up to cable on Monday, how long does VF usually take to dot i's and cross the t's?

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  #1045204 14-May-2014 23:27
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Frontliner: Bit the bullet and signed up to cable on Monday, how long does VF usually take to dot i's and cross the t's?


More over to the installer than Vodafone

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  #1046428 16-May-2014 17:34
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Vodafone, THANKS AGAIN for finally implementing unlimited plans. A couple of techs were here to install the Internet, television, and phone services, and the difference is night and day. The speeds have improved over 1000% from the ADSL line!

From Slingshot:


To Vodafone:


The power levels blew my mind when I viewed them as well - all of the power levels were no more than ±1 dBmV away from 0!

I've put out the good word on Twitter and told some friends about these plans. I simply can't find anything else that competes, short of waiting a ridiculous amount of time for UFB. Even then, UFB still doesn't offer downstream speeds that are this fast, outside of the 200 Mbps trials in some select areas.

It's nice to see 8 downstream DOCSIS channels and four upstream channels too. For the longest time, my ISP in the United States only had 4/1 channel bonding for a 100/5 Mbps line, and then bumped that up to 8/1 after upgrading the nodes due to several complaints about congestion/oversubscribing. 

This connection looks like it'll continue satisfying for a long time to come.

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  #1046429 16-May-2014 17:40
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@Kodiack nice results and we have some other improvements coming soon I can't talk about it just yet

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