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  Reply # 1109050 15-Aug-2014 13:57
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andrewNZ: Something I don't ever see mentioned, is that faster speeds mean people get things done faster and free up connections sooner (until demand increases again).

I'd compare it to the difference between chip EFTPOS machines on dialup and broadband. The dialup ones are much slower, and so can process far fewer customers per hour.

I may totally misunderstand how these things work.


Well it would depend on how the users could utilize that speed, if they have super low caps then yes they'll free up bandwidth since they are concious of how much data they are using. If they have high caps then still yes, but at a decreased rate since they will be less concious of how much data they are spending and a more likely to use bandwidth for longer periods of time. The problem is when you give an unlimited cap and people find excuses to max out their connections for long periods of time.

Now with cell sites I believe that's less of an issue since they try to divide the bandwidth up evenly across its users.




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  Reply # 1109057 15-Aug-2014 14:12
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I'd like they double data allowance rather than put their money into Carrier Aggregation upgrade.

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  Reply # 1109061 15-Aug-2014 14:21
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drivel: I'd like they double data allowance rather than put their money into Carrier Aggregation upgrade.


Without carrier aggregation, increasing data caps would just ensure that everybody on the network would be browsing at the speed of continental drift.




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  Reply # 1109065 15-Aug-2014 14:25
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Demeter:
drivel: I'd like they double data allowance rather than put their money into Carrier Aggregation upgrade.


Without carrier aggregation, increasing data caps would just ensure that everybody on the network would be browsing at the speed of continental drift.


<objoke> "like <insert current telco name here>" </objoke>

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  Reply # 1109066 15-Aug-2014 14:25
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Demeter:
drivel: I'd like they double data allowance rather than put their money into Carrier Aggregation upgrade.


Without carrier aggregation, increasing data caps would just ensure that everybody on the network would be browsing at the speed of continental drift.


Without increasing caps, carrier aggregation would just ensure you're spending more money.




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  Reply # 1109067 15-Aug-2014 14:27
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charsleysa:
Demeter:
drivel: I'd like they double data allowance rather than put their money into Carrier Aggregation upgrade.


Without carrier aggregation, increasing data caps would just ensure that everybody on the network would be browsing at the speed of continental drift.


Without increasing caps, carrier aggregation would just ensure you're spending more money.


You know the thing about the chicken and the egg, yeah? :P




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  Reply # 1109068 15-Aug-2014 14:28
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Demeter:
drivel: I'd like they double data allowance rather than put their money into Carrier Aggregation upgrade.


Without carrier aggregation, increasing data caps would just ensure that everybody on the network would be browsing at the speed of continental drift.


Oh really?

Why did every time I run Speedtest.net and it went around 70-80Mbps? Hmm, the reason probably would be -- no one is using it!

Let's compare plans in Aus, the UK and NZ.






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  Reply # 1109074 15-Aug-2014 14:35
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And to save your time, here's the currency.

69 New Zealand Dollar = 62.79 Australian Dollar = 35.05 British Pound Sterling

This means that you pay 69 NZD only get 1.5GB/m and Australian pay 60 AUD for 4GB per month (and also 300 min International Calls in Aus).

Oh dear, they must be suffering from the slow speed right now! Let's save them and shrink their data allowance to 50%.

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  Reply # 1109079 15-Aug-2014 14:36
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drivel: Let's compare plans in Aus, the UK and NZ.


Okay, lets.

Population of United Kingdom: 63.23 million (2012)
Population of Australia: 22.68 million (2012)

Wait for it....

Population of New Zealand: 4.433 million (2012)

Funnily, deploying network infrastructure costs the same everywhere regardless of how much income potential a carrier has. Go figure.






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  Reply # 1109081 15-Aug-2014 14:39
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Indeed. If you think you're being rorted and there is an opportunity maybe setup your own Telco and bring down the data prices.

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  Reply # 1109083 15-Aug-2014 14:41
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Demeter:
drivel: Let's compare plans in Aus, the UK and NZ.


Okay, lets.

Population of United Kingdom: 63.23 million (2012)
Population of Australia: 22.68 million (2012)

Wait for it....

Population of New Zealand: 4.433 million (2012)

Funnily, deploying network infrastructure costs the same everywhere regardless of how much income potential a carrier has. Go figure.




Then why are Vodafone NZ keeps putting their money to Carrier Aggregation since population density of NZ is *MUCH LOWER* than AUS and the UK?

Lower population density means less people connect to a base station, will there be a congestion? God knows.

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  Reply # 1109084 15-Aug-2014 14:42
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nathan: Indeed. If you think you're being rorted and there is an opportunity maybe setup your own Telco and bring down the data prices.


Doesn't this remind you of someone? *cough*2degrees*cough*




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  Reply # 1109088 15-Aug-2014 14:44
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Demeter:
drivel: Let's compare plans in Aus, the UK and NZ.



Funnily, deploying network infrastructure costs the same everywhere regardless of how much income potential a carrier has. Go figure.




The Australian NBN programme would disagree with you :-)

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  Reply # 1109089 15-Aug-2014 14:45
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drivel: Then why are Vodafone NZ keeps putting their money to Carrier Aggregation since population density of NZ is *MUCH LOWER* than AUS and the UK?

Lower population density means less people connect to a base station, will there be a congestion? God knows.


Look, not to be rude or anything, but are you familiar with the concept of future proofing? We're trying to make sure our network provides a first rate customer experience, not just hobbles along like so many networks do abroad.




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  Reply # 1109128 15-Aug-2014 15:10
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Demeter:
drivel: Then why are Vodafone NZ keeps putting their money to Carrier Aggregation since population density of NZ is *MUCH LOWER* than AUS and the UK?

Lower population density means less people connect to a base station, will there be a congestion? God knows.


Look, not to be rude or anything, but are you familiar with the concept of future proofing? We're trying to make sure our network provides a first rate customer experience, not just hobbles along like so many networks do abroad.


TBH, I have no idea about that. But the question in my head is "Do we really need a Tri-Band Carrier Aggregation here in NZ?" 

Coz customers are the ones who will pay the bill of upgrade. undecided

BTW I have never heard any complaint from my friends about base station congestion or slow mobile Internet speed but some of them wish they had more data allowance.


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