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kenkeniff

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  #1115790 26-Aug-2014 11:43
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BMarquis:
kenkeniff:

In such case what would be the best/simplest switch/router to use between the ONT and the two WAN routers so as to not strip any VLAN tags or anything?


I don't really know. I wouldn't be wanting to add any more devices into the mix if I were you! :)

What you are trying to do here is something that VF don't support for this service and it is obvious that it is your network causing the issues - that's all I was trying to point out.
I dont know enough about pfsense to be able to help.

My advice would be:

                   ONT
                     |
          HG659 Router  
                     |
        |---------------------|
        |              Windows Server
      STB                           |
                           pfSense Router
                            /     |       |     \
                        VM1  VM2  VM3  VM4

Then you will have the HG659 and STB in a supported fashion and you can play with pfSense/Windows server and VMs as much as you want without interfering with the TV service.
I don't see the point or benefit of using pfsense/windows server here - other than generally being a geek and wanting to play with 'stuff'

Keep It Simple would be my advice.... Otherwise You'll be chasing all kinds of strange issues around



The Windows / pfSense / VMs are necessary for development work, VPNs, hosting private services etc. I haven't had any problem with the setup for what I've needed to do in the past; only problem is now I have Vodafone TV it doesn't seem to play nice with multicast which is why I thought if I gave the RGW and pfSense each their own WAN they would both be happy.

I'll try get hold of a switch to test otherwise will see how I go with pfSense as the DMZ under HG659...


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  #1115793 26-Aug-2014 11:46
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Run it as Brent says. Best way to do it. The HG659 works as a switch too so might as well use it.

 
 
 
 


kenkeniff

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#1115886 26-Aug-2014 14:30
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Just picked up a gigabit switch for 30 bucks and setup as planned:

                   ONT
                     |
            GIGABIT SWITCH
                /           \
HG659 Router       Windows Server
        |                          |
      STB                pfSense Router
                            /     |       |     \
                        VM1  VM2  VM3  VM4

Works perfectly;

 

  • HG659 gets one WAN IP, STB works perfectly
  • pfSense gets another WAN IP, works perfectly (without having to worry about multicast etc)
  • Bandwidth is shared between the two WAN connections
Everybody is happy!      (will be back on here later when it all explodes...)

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  #1115987 26-Aug-2014 16:58
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kenkeniff: Just picked up a gigabit switch for 30 bucks and setup as planned:

                   ONT
                     |
            GIGABIT SWITCH
                /           \
HG659 Router       Windows Server
        |                          |
      STB                pfSense Router
                            /     |       |     \
                        VM1  VM2  VM3  VM4

Works perfectly;

 

  • HG659 gets one WAN IP, STB works perfectly
  • pfSense gets another WAN IP, works perfectly (without having to worry about multicast etc)
  • Bandwidth is shared between the two WAN connections
Everybody is happy!      (will be back on here later when it all explodes...)



While this sounds like a solution, i wonder if VF will be too happy when they notice your sitting on two IPs like that?




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  #1115997 26-Aug-2014 17:02
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hio77:


While this sounds like a solution, i wonder if VF will be too happy when they notice your sitting on two IPs like that?


I bet it won't last for long.



kenkeniff

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  #1115998 26-Aug-2014 17:02
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hio77: While this sounds like a solution, i wonder if VF will be too happy when they notice your sitting on two IPs like that?


According to @sbiddle I could have up to 64, lol

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  #1116000 26-Aug-2014 17:04
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sbiddle:
hio77:


While this sounds like a solution, i wonder if VF will be too happy when they notice your sitting on two IPs like that?


I bet it won't last for long.




I think we need iPredict to open a market on this :P  Personally I'd go for 2 weeks tops.

 
 
 
 


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  #1116001 26-Aug-2014 17:06
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kenkeniff:
hio77: While this sounds like a solution, i wonder if VF will be too happy when they notice your sitting on two IPs like that?


According to @sbiddle I could have up to 64, lol


That was a statement about the technology, the Terms & Conditions of the actual service (a residential service) I'm sure is limited to one.  Business connections which use the same ONT (I think) as home users is why the ONTs support up to 64.

kenkeniff

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#1116002 26-Aug-2014 17:07
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Everybody sshhhh... Quick mods, remove the thread!...

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  #1116004 26-Aug-2014 17:10
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nigelj:
kenkeniff:
hio77: While this sounds like a solution, i wonder if VF will be too happy when they notice your sitting on two IPs like that?


According to @sbiddle I could have up to 64, lol


That was a statement about the technology, the Terms & Conditions of the actual service (a residential service) I'm sure is limited to one.  Business connections which use the same ONT (I think) as home users is why the ONTs support up to 64.


Most likely indeed.

I recall back when i was with VF they had a few features for business which were able to overlap to residential, but were clearly a bit of a nono to actually be using..


kenkeniff: Everybody sshhhh... Quick mods, remove the thread!...


removing the thread aint a good option, this thread has a lot of good information in it..

Ild say you were close, but not quite there with perfecting your setup..




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  #1116006 26-Aug-2014 17:15
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hio77:
nigelj:
kenkeniff:
hio77: While this sounds like a solution, i wonder if VF will be too happy when they notice your sitting on two IPs like that?


According to @sbiddle I could have up to 64, lol


That was a statement about the technology, the Terms & Conditions of the actual service (a residential service) I'm sure is limited to one.  Business connections which use the same ONT (I think) as home users is why the ONTs support up to 64.


Most likely indeed.

I recall back when i was with VF they had a few features for business which were able to overlap to residential, but were clearly a bit of a nono to actually be using..


kenkeniff: Everybody sshhhh... Quick mods, remove the thread!...


removing the thread aint a good option, this thread has a lot of good information in it..

Ild say you were close, but not quite there with perfecting your setup..


Okay, so I'm partly wrong, it's actually the Fair Use Policy that I can find the potential breach in (partly right because the Ts&Cs enforce the Fair Use Policy)...

If your usage of our Services materially exceeds estimated use patterns over any month, or is inconsistent with normal usage patterns, then your usage will be excessive and/or unreasonable.


The assigned IP(s) are part of the 'Services', so technically they could say that having two devices holding IP leases from their DHCP servers at the same time on the single account is 'inconsistent with normal usage patterns'.

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  #1116021 26-Aug-2014 17:53
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sbiddle:
hio77:


While this sounds like a solution, i wonder if VF will be too happy when they notice your sitting on two IPs like that?


I bet it won't last for long.




Probably not as the is a very hot thread in the Vodafone office to the teams of concern.

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  #1116032 26-Aug-2014 18:06
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TimA: Probably not as the is a very hot thread in the Vodafone office to the teams of concern.


You've got my account details, feel free to pass onto the relevant team to get in touch if this is actually a problem.

Off topic: While you're at it would great if you could please look into why I'm still getting billed for ADSL and receiving letters offering to upgrade me to fibre. I brought it up with CSR who added a credit for ADSL bill to my account but obviously didn't actually fix the problem..Cheers

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  #1116304 27-Aug-2014 10:22
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Its a design flaw. Your connection shouldn't get 2 Ip's in any case. Probably get patched shortly.
When that occurs you will be back to square one or you can do what Brent said with the HG659 so you dont have 2 devices fighting for a WAN connection.

kenkeniff

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#1116306 27-Aug-2014 10:27
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TimA: Its a design flaw. Your connection shouldn't get 2 Ip's in any case. Probably get patched shortly.
When that occurs you will be back to square one or you can do what Brent said with the HG659 so you dont have 2 devices fighting for a WAN connection.


My 62 VMs will all be sad to be back behind NAT...lol..

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