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#154762 6-Nov-2014 22:17
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So I'm on Telstraclear cable at home. Works well but no IPv6 :-(

I've built an IPv6 tunnel courtesy of the lovely people at SiXXs and ACSdata in Wellington. See https://www.sixxs.net/pops/acsdata/

This also works well and I have excellent IPv6 access at home. But it's a lash up and I'd really like to get this service from my "service provider".

Why do I care? Well New Zealand is not doing at all well on IPv6 adoption. This week Akamai produced these graphs:

http://www.stateoftheinternet.com/trends-visualizations-ipv6-adoption-ipv4-exhaustion-global-heat-map-network-country-growth-data.html

Take a look at NZ - behind AU for a start. But also trailing Ecuador, Bhutan and Vanuatu by quite a bit and blown away by those economic powerhouses Greece, Romania and Nauru.

If you had IPv6 today you'd use it to contact Akamai, Google, Facebook, YouTube.

So when are we going to see this change?


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  #1170389 6-Nov-2014 22:26
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Nope it's IPV4

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  #1170390 6-Nov-2014 22:35
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IPV6 on xDSL sooner than you think but Cable (HFC) will be a while off I suspect no date

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  #1170395 6-Nov-2014 22:50
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asjl:
This also works well and I have excellent IPv6 access at home. But it's a lash up and I'd really like to get this service from my "service provider".


Good call.

I have ISP IPV6 and it doesn't have the 30ms+ latency overhead of SixXS.

asjl:
Why do I care? Well New Zealand is not doing at all well on IPv6 adoption. This week Akamai produced these graphs:

http://www.stateoftheinternet.com/trends-visualizations-ipv6-adoption-ipv4-exhaustion-global-heat-map-network-country-growth-data.html

Take a look at NZ - behind AU for a start. But also trailing Ecuador, Bhutan and Vanuatu by quite a bit and blown away by those economic powerhouses Greece, Romania and Nauru.

If you had IPv6 today you'd use it to contact Akamai, Google, Facebook, YouTube.

So when are we going to see this change?



NZ ISP's (for the most part) are pathetic when it comes to IPV6. (and DNSSEC)

The average user has no idea what IPV6 is, and doesn't care.




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  #1170853 7-Nov-2014 13:44
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+1 for wanting IPV6 on Cable.

On a related note,  does Vodafone offer the ability to lease a /28 or a /29 or something instead of a single public IPv4 address down a cable connection? Would love to have at least some of the devices at that house on there own public addresses.







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  #1170863 7-Nov-2014 13:54
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Lias: +1 for wanting IPV6 on Cable.
On a related note,  does Vodafone offer the ability to lease a /28 or a /29 or something instead of a single public IPv4 address down a cable connection? Would love to have at least some of the devices at that house on there own public addresses.


Many ISP's offer this to business customers, though unless you have experience with networking and running publicly connected internet servers, this is not a good idea and I advise against it.

One other thing you need to consider is IPV4 space is not sold on the same (el' cheapo) charging basis as the average residential customer is used to (nor is it like IPV6 where you can get oodles of address space by default). IE: You might be in for a bit of a shock as to what you will have to pay for this. It's not cheap and you will likely need to provide a justification for getting the resources and how you will use them.

Saying you want to connect up your cctv camera, media centre or other consumer gadget to globally routable IPV4 is not a good justification and is unlikely to be accepted.

If you are on an "unlimited" or "flat rate" account, it's highly unlikely they will agree to this. You will need to move to a bandwidth or traffic charged basis.

Last of all, if you have globally routable IPV4 space, you also need to have the attitude and technical ability to play the part. If they provide you with space and your network becomes the source or target of "issues" don't expect them to be charitable and certainly don't be a whino about it.

Please understand I am not suggesting you are in any or all of this situation (I don't know you) - just spelling out the full reality for you and anyone else who comes across this thread and has the same intentions.

Why IPV4 is screwed up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_address_blocks




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  #1170877 7-Nov-2014 14:17
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Lias: +1 for wanting IPV6 on Cable.

On a related note,  does Vodafone offer the ability to lease a /28 or a /29 or something instead of a single public IPv4 address down a cable connection? Would love to have at least some of the devices at that house on there own public addresses.



I would suggest you get an address block like that routed to your single public IPv4. Should be easier to setup on their end like this and means you can firewall that whole subnet too.




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  #1170970 7-Nov-2014 15:45
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Thanks for the comments - some more useful that others. :-) I appreciate that the average Kiwi may not care right now but when very large proportions of their traffic could be delivered over IPv6 instead of some single and double NAT mess buried in the ISP/telco then I know which I'd prefer.

Right now for me the IPv6 performance is better that the IPv4. That's because I'm in Wellington and the peering is better. For example from my home router in Wellington to a box at VUW:

root@cheviot:~# ping cambois.lpnz.org
PING cambois.lpnz.org (103.10.233.82): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 103.10.233.82: seq=0 ttl=55 time=29.069 ms
64 bytes from 103.10.233.82: seq=1 ttl=55 time=29.056 ms
64 bytes from 103.10.233.82: seq=2 ttl=55 time=51.204 ms
64 bytes from 103.10.233.82: seq=3 ttl=55 time=27.723 ms
^C
--- cambois.lpnz.org ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 27.723/34.263/51.204 ms

root@cheviot:~# ping6 cambois.lpnz.org
PING cambois.lpnz.org (2404:2000:3000:80::82): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 2404:2000:3000:80::82: seq=0 ttl=61 time=19.076 ms
64 bytes from 2404:2000:3000:80::82: seq=1 ttl=61 time=10.269 ms
64 bytes from 2404:2000:3000:80::82: seq=2 ttl=61 time=10.307 ms
64 bytes from 2404:2000:3000:80::82: seq=3 ttl=61 time=13.242 ms
64 bytes from 2404:2000:3000:80::82: seq=4 ttl=61 time=11.952 ms
64 bytes from 2404:2000:3000:80::82: seq=5 ttl=61 time=8.871 ms
64 bytes from 2404:2000:3000:80::82: seq=6 ttl=61 time=11.966 ms
^C
--- cambois.lpnz.org ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 8.871/12.240/19.076 ms

but it's also better to a box in the US:

root@cheviot:~# ping psg.com
PING psg.com (147.28.0.62): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 147.28.0.62: seq=0 ttl=51 time=228.998 ms
64 bytes from 147.28.0.62: seq=1 ttl=51 time=228.694 ms
64 bytes from 147.28.0.62: seq=2 ttl=51 time=228.123 ms
64 bytes from 147.28.0.62: seq=3 ttl=51 time=229.041 ms
64 bytes from 147.28.0.62: seq=4 ttl=51 time=226.537 ms
64 bytes from 147.28.0.62: seq=5 ttl=51 time=228.844 ms
^C
--- psg.com ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 226.537/228.372/229.041 ms

root@cheviot:~# ping6 psg.com
PING psg.com (2001:418:1::62): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 2001:418:1::62: seq=0 ttl=54 time=164.221 ms
64 bytes from 2001:418:1::62: seq=1 ttl=54 time=164.419 ms
64 bytes from 2001:418:1::62: seq=2 ttl=54 time=172.729 ms
^C
--- psg.com ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 164.221/167.123/172.729 ms

The Internet is migrating to IPv6 - it's not a question of if but when. I'm asking when are we going to see some evidence here.




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  #1170971 7-Nov-2014 15:48
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Lias: +1 for wanting IPV6 on Cable.

On a related note,  does Vodafone offer the ability to lease a /28 or a /29 or something instead of a single public IPv4 address down a cable connection? Would love to have at least some of the devices at that house on there own public addresses.





But if you had IPv6 you'd probably have 256 subnets with 2^64 addresses in each!


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  #1170973 7-Nov-2014 15:50
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johnr: IPV6 on xDSL sooner than you think but Cable (HFC) will be a while off I suspect no date


How soon is sooner than I think? My estimate is 2018.

Go on,surprise me!

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asjl: I've built an IPv6 tunnel courtesy of the lovely people at SiXXs and ACSdata in Wellington. See https://www.sixxs.net/pops/acsdata/
...
So when are we going to see this change?



I hope we see it soon. I also hope we see proper addressing being given to customers, not just single addresses or a /64, otherwise I'll still be stuck relying on tunnel providers.

Don't worry too much about using SixXS. I've been using the same POP for three or four years now, and it has been extremely stable, other than a few hours of downtime recently.

AFAIK, Snap is the only provider giving IPv6 addresses to customers, but even they don't offer static addresses yet.

Although addressing and the physical network are two completly different things, I think the government have made the funding of fibre installs conditional on IPv6 support. That would have got ISPs to shape up quickly, rather than dragging their heals as they are now.

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#1171008 7-Nov-2014 17:05
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asjl:
johnr: IPV6 on xDSL sooner than you think but Cable (HFC) will be a while off I suspect no date


How soon is sooner than I think? My estimate is 2018.

Go on,surprise me!


I can promise you well well before 2018

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  #1171366 8-Nov-2014 17:01
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johnr:
asjl:
johnr: IPV6 on xDSL sooner than you think but Cable (HFC) will be a while off I suspect no date


How soon is sooner than I think? My estimate is 2018.

Go on,surprise me!


I can promise you well well before 2018


So mid next year? (that's Well before 2018)




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  #1171378 8-Nov-2014 17:29

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asjl: I've built an IPv6 tunnel courtesy of the lovely people at SiXXs and ACSdata in Wellington. See https://www.sixxs.net/pops/acsdata/
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So when are we going to see this change?



I hope we see it soon. I also hope we see proper addressing being given to customers, not just single addresses or a /64, otherwise I'll still be stuck relying on tunnel providers.

Don't worry too much about using SixXS. I've been using the same POP for three or four years now, and it has been extremely stable, other than a few hours of downtime recently.

AFAIK, Snap is the only provider giving IPv6 addresses to customers, but even they don't offer static addresses yet.

Although addressing and the physical network are two completly different things, I think the government have made the funding of fibre installs conditional on IPv6 support. That would have got ISPs to shape up quickly, rather than dragging their heals as they are now.


Woosh (of all ISPs) offer IPv6. Or at least they did back when I was signed up to them.

Should really get IPv6 working on my connection. Considering the only reason it is not currently working is my router config. (Im not using the Snap supplied fritzbox. Therefore will need to learn some more CLI).





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