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  Reply # 1215742 16-Jan-2015 00:07
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Ray your calculations aren't far off however one thing you haven't taken into account (and couldn't possibly know about) is that not every village with 3,000+residents is guaranteed their own cabinet.

When I still lived in the Netherlands, my birth town with a population of 8,000 did not have its own cabinet. Instead it was hooked up to a neighbouring town with pop 25,000. This meant that wherever you would live in the town you would have a line distance of at least 3km.
This was all resolved when the cable company started providing internet services as well, leading to all inhabitants ditching their DSL subscriptions and going for cable.

There are quite a few places (even within a stone's throw of Amsterdam) that still have line distances of 5 or 6km because of 'historical' reasons.

PS: I picked up an article on-line about NZ growing on the international "internet speed rankings" taking place position 44, now I can't find where I read this any more but it did mention a statistic relevant to this topic and that was that only 14% of NZ has speeds of 10mbit or higher !!


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  Reply # 1215748 16-Jan-2015 01:18
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Yes your probably right - my assumptions are probably wrong in many areas of the country.
We are actually quite lucky to have chorus and the cabinetisation plan of the 2008-2010? years- it caused australia and many other countries to lag behind us.

Ookla netindex places NZ average download speed of 22mbits and position 47/197 countries.

Personally I think that speed is a little high considering that they also think our upload average is 9mbits when most of the country is still on ADSL at 1mbit.

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  Reply # 1215753 16-Jan-2015 04:06
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richms: Great idea. In NZ they could just start by not allowing new connections on conklins since that seems to cause a majority of complaints. Then start kicking the highest users of the conklins off of them as they are clearly not suited for them.

With a 12Mb minimum that would be everyone on ADSL1 as ADSL1 is 8mb remember :). So that's ALL conklins and ASAMs. That number is a non Trivial number on Spark so across the whole broadband customer base in NZ that would be a number I would guess getting close to 6 figured.

The minimum connect speed for EUBA is 256k, anything below that the ISAM will just fail to connect. So I do know of some marginal customers who were impacted with the Cabinetisation where they had a sub 256k connect rate and would no longer connect after upgraded from ASAM to ISAM.

It's a really interesting idea, as I personally would love to see a minimum speed set. But at the tail end... some people have some crazy connect rates and still pay for "broadband". So do you disconnect them and force them onto a WISP/MobileBB/Satellite or let them keep slow broadband.

One personal favourite weird issue along this vein I had last year is a customer on VDSL connected at 768kb then at some later point resynced to 40mb or so. It was some weird negotiation issue but when their modem came up the ISAM reported 768kb to my system (as the system I built does the subscriber auth) and we log connect rates. It made me giggle when I saw it.

In NZ as it's 6 times larger than NL. The problem is far greater due to the larger distances we have here.

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