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  Reply # 1242637 19-Feb-2015 21:45
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I will see what I can find out tomorrow / Monday might be a good reason it's routed that way, I personally don't know why

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  Reply # 1242641 19-Feb-2015 21:47
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ubergeeknz:
Glassboy:

That's an amusing game, and you get a wide variety of answers.

Now can you please tell me how you think physically (as in where the cables run) you can be in China one hop out from the TCL network?  Have you ever seen a map of the world?


One IP hop... who knows how many MPLS hops.

But at any rate, US via HK? Something isn't quite right there.


See where I say "you get a wide variety of answers".  Every IP locator I tried gave me a different place.  I drew the conclusion that they were wrong.  As you know IP locators are approximate and based on registration data, not actually where the equipment is.  I also don't think anyone is likely to have a MPLS path direct to China.  Unless they're stealing far more of our data than I think.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1242642 19-Feb-2015 21:48
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johnr: Hong Kong is in Hong Kong and China is it's own country, I have visited both

Hong Kong use to be under British rule but I am sure then it was not in Britain and still in the same location as it is now

So the traffic is going via Hong Kong

John


Wow. Hong Kong is part of China, a similar way Waiheke Island is part of New Zealand.

 

     

  1. Hong Kong differs from all other Asian nations in that it is now part of China, even if it exists as a Special Administrative Region (SAR) under China's “one country, two systems” policy.Sep 10, 2013
www.forbes.com

 



While what you claim is correct, it is also be correct that the traffic is going through China.

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  Reply # 1242644 19-Feb-2015 21:51
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FierceGuppy:

Local speed is usually good.  Currently ~86Mbps, but I've had over 100Mbps yet the twitch.tv streams as low as 1.3Mbps are still inundated with pauses.  People on the BigPipe service in Auckland can watch multiple twitch.tv video streams broadcasting at Source bitrates (4-6Mbps) without any pausing. 


I'm on Vodafone VDSL in Wellington and I can watch three twitch streams on my laptop and one on my PS4 with minimal problems.  Some audio drop but I put that down to people overloading their mikes by blasting Spotify in the background.

My tracert to twitch is far less torturous than yours tho'.



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  Reply # 1242645 19-Feb-2015 21:51
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johnr:
ubergeeknz:
Glassboy:
FierceGuppy:
johnr: Confused where which hop/s?


202.84.223.85
202.84.140.242
202.84.251.98

Google for "IP locator".



That's an amusing game, and you get a wide variety of answers.

Now can you please tell me how you think physically (as in where the cables run) you can be in China one hop out from the TCL network?  Have you ever seen a map of the world?


One IP hop... who knows how many MPLS hops.

But at any rate, US via HK? Something isn't quite right there.


Have to agree something does not seem right but internet traffic does not always take the most direct path due to a number of reasons


How about you post your tracert result, and choose an IP locator.  Any one... any one at all...


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  Reply # 1242646 19-Feb-2015 21:53
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Dairyxox:
johnr: Hong Kong is in Hong Kong and China is it's own country, I have visited both

Hong Kong use to be under British rule but I am sure then it was not in Britain and still in the same location as it is now

So the traffic is going via Hong Kong

John


Wow. Hong Kong is part of China, a similar way Waiheke Island is part of New Zealand.




  1. Hong Kong differs from all other Asian nations in that it is now part of China, even if it exists as a Special Administrative Region (SAR) under China's “one country, two systems” policy.Sep 10, 2013
www.forbes.com



Some sites say it is it's own country and same say it's not, The main thing is the traffic is not going via main land China



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  Reply # 1242647 19-Feb-2015 21:53
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Glassboy:
FierceGuppy:

Local speed is usually good.  Currently ~86Mbps, but I've had over 100Mbps yet the twitch.tv streams as low as 1.3Mbps are still inundated with pauses.  People on the BigPipe service in Auckland can watch multiple twitch.tv video streams broadcasting at Source bitrates (4-6Mbps) without any pausing. 


I'm on Vodafone VDSL in Wellington and I can watch three twitch streams on my laptop and one on my PS4 with minimal problems.  Some audio drop but I put that down to people overloading their mikes by blasting Spotify in the background.

My tracert to twitch is far less torturous than yours tho'.


Interesting!  Would you mind posting your tracert?

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Dairyxox:
johnr: Hong Kong is in Hong Kong and China is it's own country, I have visited both

Hong Kong use to be under British rule but I am sure then it was not in Britain and still in the same location as it is now

So the traffic is going via Hong Kong

John


Wow. Hong Kong is part of China, a similar way Waiheke Island is part of New Zealand.

 

     

  1. Hong Kong differs from all other Asian nations in that it is now part of China, even if it exists as a Special Administrative Region (SAR) under China's “one country, two systems” policy.Sep 10, 2013
www.forbes.com

 

While what you claim is correct, it is also be correct that the traffic is going through China.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+irony&l=1

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  Reply # 1242650 19-Feb-2015 21:54
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welcome to the wonderful world off internet [bgp] routing where traffic can go in all sorts of directions deliberately, accidentally and maliciously

basically there are no guarantees your traffic will take the shortest or lowest latency path

and this means in some circumstances a satellite link [low orbit] can have less latency than a sea floor fibre link !

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Reply # 1242651 19-Feb-2015 21:55
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xlinknz: welcome to the wonderful world off internet [bgp] routing where traffic can go in all sorts of directions deliberately, accidentally and maliciously

basically there are no guarantees your traffic will take the shortest or lowest latency path

and this means in some circumstances a satellite link [low orbit] can have less latency than a sea floor fibre link !


Thank you

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  Reply # 1242652 19-Feb-2015 21:58
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FierceGuppy:

Interesting!  Would you mind posting your tracert?


Here's the relevant bit.

Tracing route to twitch.tv [192.16.71.181]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 4 ms 6 ms 4 ms 210.246.35.254
3 6 ms 4 ms 4 ms gi0-2-0-3.ppnzwtc01.wlg.vf.net.nz.180.109.203.in-addr.arpa [203.109.180.210]
4 5 ms 6 ms 4 ms gi0-2-0-3.ppnzwtc02.wlg.vf.net.nz [203.109.180.209]
5 138 ms 137 ms 138 ms 10.123.80.69
6 137 ms 145 ms 149 ms v407.core1.sjc1.he.net [216.218.254.57]
7 138 ms 137 ms 137 ms 10ge1-4.core1.pao1.he.net [72.52.92.113]
8 * * * Request timed out.



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  Reply # 1242653 19-Feb-2015 21:59
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johnr:
Dairyxox:
johnr: Hong Kong is in Hong Kong and China is it's own country, I have visited both

Hong Kong use to be under British rule but I am sure then it was not in Britain and still in the same location as it is now

So the traffic is going via Hong Kong

John


Wow. Hong Kong is part of China, a similar way Waiheke Island is part of New Zealand.



 

     

       


    1. Hong Kong differs from all other Asian nations in that it is now part of China, even if it exists as a Special Administrative Region (SAR) under China's “one country, two systems” policy.Sep 10, 2013
www.forbes.com

 

 




Some sites say it is it's own country and same say it's not, The main thing is the traffic is not going via main land China


I didn't say Mainland China!  Hong Kong is still part of China ever since the British returned it to China.  Now why is my twitch.tv traffic being routed through China?




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  Reply # 1242659 19-Feb-2015 22:03
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Glassboy:
FierceGuppy:

Interesting!  Would you mind posting your tracert?


Here's the relevant bit.

Tracing route to twitch.tv [192.16.71.181]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 4 ms 6 ms 4 ms 210.246.35.254
3 6 ms 4 ms 4 ms gi0-2-0-3.ppnzwtc01.wlg.vf.net.nz.180.109.203.in-addr.arpa [203.109.180.210]
4 5 ms 6 ms 4 ms gi0-2-0-3.ppnzwtc02.wlg.vf.net.nz [203.109.180.209]
5 138 ms 137 ms 138 ms 10.123.80.69
6 137 ms 145 ms 149 ms v407.core1.sjc1.he.net [216.218.254.57]
7 138 ms 137 ms 137 ms 10ge1-4.core1.pao1.he.net [72.52.92.113]
8 * * * Request timed out.


It brings tears to my eyes.  That's what I should be getting from Vodafone -- an actual UFB service.  I had one until late last year.


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  Reply # 1242660 19-Feb-2015 22:04
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Anyway just for everyones' interest http://www.submarinecablemap.com/

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  Reply # 1242661 19-Feb-2015 22:04
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Cause that is the way it's been routed, Read above post by @xlinknz

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