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  # 1276178 2-Apr-2015 15:16
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brother looks like i'll have to wait for the z4 thanks nick

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  # 1276183 2-Apr-2015 15:18
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NikT:
markl:

So, if I have a parallel imported device, it will never be on your supported list? Even if it's, say, a 1+ One, with kick arse specs and NFC support, that comes with an NFC payment solution already built in? Would you, in that case, refuse to let me use the service, even at my own "risk"? Or would I still be able to buy a Semble SIM, download the app and use the service?


Semble won't whitelist a device unless it's certified. Devices can't be certified if we don't have any to give them. If the OnePlus One were to be certified, Semble would need two test units. Give me two OnePlus Ones and I'll ask the question. ;)

Bear in mind that we do look at device activation statistics on the network, but that we can't go out and purchase multiple units of devices we didn't sell at full retail pricing for projects like this one - it would be very nice to have for the enthusiast bracket (Which I fall into myself) but wouldn't make any commercial sense, and would be a bottomless pit of 'Why not [random device x]?' Priority will always be devices that each telco sells for what I hope are understandable reasons.

markl:

Okay, fair enough. But why is it that you are able to offer it at a lower price point simply because it's locked? Answer: because you're locking that customer to your network and that way you're guaranteeing revenue from them, yes? So it IS really about gaining and retaining customers, and I'd suggest that it's as much "use of the stick" as it is "offering a carrot" because of that. Insidious - no. but devious? Perhaps you could argue that...

Regardless, that's by the by....I get it, and I'm not complaining, just being a bit anal about it :D


Answer: Volume commitments.

I would like to elaborate on this further, but it's understandably sensitive. I work in the team that manages the SIM locking, & it really is all about getting a higher-spec device to a lower cost where & when the relatively small $30 market precedent to unlock a device can make a tangible difference to an upfront RRP. While on paper it may seem to be about ROI over time, in practice that is not the case at all - it's all about the price tag. :)

ubernoob:

Sony Xperia Z1 Compact    (D5503)  Android version 4.4.4  ?????


Apologies for any confusion, I should have specified 'Sold by Vodafone NZ'. The Z1 Compact was not launched in the NZ market by any telco, unfortunately.

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  # 1276186 2-Apr-2015 15:22

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How about this one

Sony Xperia Z 4G C6603  Android verson 4.4.4



The original Xperia Z failed initial testing, we're waiting on the Lollipop update to re-test. Shouldn't be too far away.




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# 1276191 2-Apr-2015 15:29
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NikT:
marlinz:

How about this one

Sony Xperia Z 4G C6603  Android verson 4.4.4



The original Xperia Z failed initial testing, we're waiting on the Lollipop update to re-test. Shouldn't be too far away.



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  # 1276207 2-Apr-2015 15:58
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NikT:
Semble won't whitelist a device unless it's certified. Devices can't be certified if we don't have any to give them. If the OnePlus One were to be certified, Semble would need two test units. Give me two OnePlus Ones and I'll ask the question. ;)


Will you give them back again? tongue-out

Thanks for being up front about everything, btw, it IS appreciated. smile

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  # 1276228 2-Apr-2015 16:12

markl:
NikT:
Semble won't whitelist a device unless it's certified. Devices can't be certified if we don't have any to give them. If the OnePlus One were to be certified, Semble would need two test units. Give me two OnePlus Ones and I'll ask the question. ;)


Will you give them back again? tongue-out

Thanks for being up front about everything, btw, it IS appreciated. smile


Sure! In an ideal world, certification takes around two weeks. I can't guarantee I can get anything certified, as AFAIK we haven't got any commercial agreements in place for handsets that aren't ranged by any telco - they were out of scope of the initial project, and without local vendor support, contacts, or local market software builds, we would have no way of getting any issues that may arise fixed. Semble understandably prefers to hang on to test units in order to ensure the service continues to operate as expected as new software updates roll out. I hope we'll be able to find a happy compromise for all involved in future, it's still early days - and no problem. :)

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  # 1276886 3-Apr-2015 20:24
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Interesting times...

Being an ANZ customer I'm waiting for ANZs goMoney wallet later this year before I buy a new handset. After reading this I won't assume I can use any "compatible" NFC handset on any Telco !

Seems ANZ are not using Semble, well at least according to this article ?






 
 
 
 


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  # 1276890 3-Apr-2015 20:28
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commonwelth bank seem to work ok without all the sim etc so I dont think you would have much problem with anz when they get around to putting out their app with nfc.




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  # 1276917 3-Apr-2015 21:33
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sbiddle: Semble is a credit card replacement, not an EFTPOS card replacement.

And unless this expands in future to become an EFTPOS replacement too, then it's future could be rather limited. There is no way we will see contactless payment accepted at every corner dairy & many other places whilst it remains the domain of the Credit Card companies and their fees.




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  # 1276931 3-Apr-2015 22:13
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richms: commonwelth bank seem to work ok without all the sim etc so I dont think you would have much problem with anz when they get around to putting out their app with nfc.


which makes me wonder why go down the path of having a special SIM ? [except to sell as a service ?]

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  # 1276938 3-Apr-2015 22:49
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xlinknz:
richms: commonwelth bank seem to work ok without all the sim etc so I dont think you would have much problem with anz when they get around to putting out their app with nfc.


which makes me wonder why go down the path of having a special SIM ? [except to sell as a service ?]


You need a new SIM because existing SIM cards don't support the SE.


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  # 1276952 3-Apr-2015 23:00
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richms: commonwelth bank seem to work ok without all the sim etc so I dont think you would have much problem with anz when they get around to putting out their app with nfc.

which makes me wonder why go down the path of having a special SIM ? [except to sell as a service ?]


Security and performance. Don't think of it as a SIM, think of it as a Secure Element (SE). The credit card on the NFC UICC is exactly the same as a physical Chip-and-PIN credit card, it can respond immediately to the terminal without going through additional software layers within an untrusted device ( the handset ).

The arguments for HCE boil down to the fact that it is really hard to get that foot print on the SE and takes a lot of coordination and agreement, something that has happened in very few parts of the world. Perhaps ANZ is opting for HCE because it can't get on the SE in Australia so wants the same system on either side of the Tasman.

Perhaps all the comments about people trying to run the apps on rooted devices might cause a few raised eyebrows in the banking world.


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  # 1276970 4-Apr-2015 01:05
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sbiddle: Semble is a credit card replacement, not an EFTPOS card replacement.

And unless this expands in future to become an EFTPOS replacement too, then it's future could be rather limited. There is no way we will see contactless payment accepted at every corner dairy & many other places whilst it remains the domain of the Credit Card companies and their fees.


Paywave seems to be slow takeup especially amongst smaller retailers. Would have thought it would be in banks interest to get all their customers on paywave at a faster rate than this. I guess the banks are just being too greedy...surprise surprise.

I do frown a bit when a retailers doesnt have paywave. Even my local KFC uses real old technology for swiping cards..slowest transaction I have ever seen.

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  # 1277008 4-Apr-2015 09:20
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roobarb:
The arguments for HCE boil down to the fact that it is really hard to get that foot print on the SE and takes a lot of coordination and agreement, something that has happened in very few parts of the world. Perhaps ANZ is opting for HCE because it can't get on the SE in Australia so wants the same system on either side of the Tasman.

Perhaps all the comments about people trying to run the apps on rooted devices might cause a few raised eyebrows in the banking world.



The fact NZ is first and only country to get all 3 mobile networks on board for a UICC based solution really sums that up. We all know the technology works, but when there are so many parties involved and telcos in many countries refusing to be involved unless they can clip the ticket, it's easy to see why rolling out a mass market product has been so difficult.



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  # 1277076 4-Apr-2015 11:36
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richms: So if you try buying something with the blackberry or nokia, what happens?


I am pleased to report that a Nokia Lumia 820 with VFNZ Semble SIM and ASB Visa successfully made a small value payment at the Warehouse.


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