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  # 98397 5-Dec-2007 18:54
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grant_k: The same amount of time on a VFX line would cost just $4.50

It costs us $3 currently.




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  # 98401 5-Dec-2007 19:06
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grant_k: The same amount of time on a VFX line would cost just $4.50

It costs us $3 currently.

Oh OK, you must be making only one or two calls per month then, and by the look of it, one of the calls must be capped.

Otherwise, there is no way you could do it from a landline for $3 per 90 mins.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I can't see any other explanation...

 
 
 
 


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  # 98402 5-Dec-2007 19:10
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We make (on average) one toll call every three months, during weekends or after 6PM.

So, yes, almost all out tolls are capped at $3.




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  # 98416 5-Dec-2007 20:08
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I'm not sure I fully understand Naked DSL so a couple of questions - can I continue to use my broadband modem (dynalink RTA1320) and phone filter with NDSL?  If not, is the correct equipment supplied by Xnet or do I have to buy it?

and, are the VFX services (Voicemail- Voicemail to Email- Call Forwarding Options- Call Waiting etc) free or do these cost extra?

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  # 98417 5-Dec-2007 20:10
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With naked DSL, you just use the same gear... except no POTS devices - so faxes and phones won't work. The filter is optional as well.

Don't worry - you can plug your POTS devices into your VoIP router if you opt for it.




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  # 98419 5-Dec-2007 20:27
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tims: I'm not sure I fully understand Naked DSL so a couple of questions - can I continue to use my broadband modem (dynalink RTA1320) and phone filter with NDSL? If not, is the correct equipment supplied by Xnet or do I have to buy it?

If you want to use VFX (have a phone service) you will have to buy a device to plug into your router (if you have one) which costs ~$100. You plug your regular phone into this box. (If you don't already have a router with a spare port... well, that's probably going to cost you, since you'll need one)

And, no, the equipment isn't supplied by WxC, you'll have to fork out for it yourself.

tims: are the VFX services (Voicemail- Voicemail to Email- Call Forwarding Options- Call Waiting etc) free or do these cost extra?

They're not free, but they are included in the price.




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  # 98429 5-Dec-2007 21:37
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Lorenceo: Can't wait till its available!
FS/FS 30GB here I come!


Me too. Great news Phil it will be about a $25.00 saving here

Currently:-

 45.00 POTS
 79.95 internet
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124.95
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NDSL:-

99.95 for VFX and internet (or less depending on the data used)

That is if we use 30 gigs of data which is very rare but we do get close. Then of course the cost of toll calls which is not very much at all So all in all I am very happy

 
 
 
 


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  # 98455 5-Dec-2007 23:15
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grant_k: You don't LOSE 1 telephone line...

-  The physical line is still there carrying your ADSL
-  The Voice service on the line (previously carried by POTS) gets replaced by VFX

For all intents and purposes, you still have the same services:  ADSL and a phone service.  Except the phone service is now digital instead of analogue and comes with all sorts of extra goodies like Caller ID, Free Voice Mail, etc, etc... 


I do lose 1 "telephone line service".  I'm actually a Xnet + VFX customer myself, and it's working great with my Linksys SPA3102, which allows VoIP (VFX) to be routed onwards over a POTS line, and vice versa.  Moving to Naked DSL would mean I lose the POTS part of it.... 

Let's analyse it this way.....


For $90 a month, I can get....

(a)  FS/FS Speeds...  (Let's assume 3.5Mbps/512kbps)
(b)  20Gb data
(c)  One VFX Line.  Which allows me 30cent NZ mobile calls, 5c national and calls to overseas, etc.


For $102 a month, I can get....

(a)  FS/128kbps Speeds.... 
(b)  20Gb data
(c)  One VFX Line.  Which allows me 30cent NZ mobile calls, 5c national and calls to overseas, etc.
(d)  One IHug $41 telephone line....
(e)  Ihug "Plan 0", nominating my Vodafone mobile.  With this, I can route all incoming calls on VFX onto my mobile...  unlimited!

**  For $108, I can do pretty much the same too, with Telecom HomeLine and Freedom $10, and get vice versa calls!  Meaning I can save quite alot on my mobile bill too then!


But yeah...  My point is....  There are people like me, who do value not just the "good speeds", but will also consider the price aspect, providing that speed is not too bad (2Mbps is quite enough for normal use!), and a "second line" is always useful too!  Xnet Fusion is great pricing for the speeds that it offers!  But why not some flexibility too for other users?


grant_k:  From the above, I take it that you are currently paying $41 per month to Telecom for your line rental?


To Ihug. 

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  # 98457 5-Dec-2007 23:37
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jesseycy: (e)  Ihug "Plan 0", nominating my Vodafone mobile.  With this, I can route all incoming calls on VFX onto my mobile...  unlimited!
...
But yeah...  My point is....  There are people like me, who do value not just the "good speeds", but will also consider the price aspect, providing that speed is not too bad (2Mbps is quite enough for normal use!), and a "second line" is always useful too!  Xnet Fusion is great pricing for the speeds that it offers!  But why not some flexibility too for other users?

Thanks for explaining where you are coming from Jessey Smile

I think it's really point (e) -- the ability to route all incoming calls on VFX to your mobile for no extra cost, which is the deal-breaker in your case.

There's no other way I can think of to accomplish that short of using a GSM gateway device hooked up on Vodafone BestMate.  Your method using the FXO port of the SPA3102 is definitely tidier.  That's a clever idea actually, must remember it for future reference Smile

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  # 98469 6-Dec-2007 07:43
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Mmmm I spend $36 with TCNZ [POTS in Wgtn] and $39 with WxC each month [HSI River 5Gb] a total of $75 which is the same as Fusion+5Gb

So what do I get ? FS upstream which I don't need and a bunch of features which I don't currently use

So IF VFX is still going to be free [?] to HSI customers I get to keep my POTS & have VoIP [on a different number] at the same cost

I like someone elses idea of a $55 FS/128 version of Fusion...


 




 

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  # 98482 6-Dec-2007 09:31
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Good morning folks. I am the CEO here at WorldxChange and have been viewing your conversations for a year now and thought  that this thread might be a good time to jump in. Maverick does a great job here and for the most part, I'll stay out of the discussions because I like the natural course the users on this site take in terms of discussions and views. Well, most of the time I like it. There have been many times where I see that perception is far from reality but feel that it is often best to let things run their course.

There are some questions and comments in this thread that I may be able to clarify for you.

To the five cent rounding bit. VFX calls are rated in one minute increments at five cents per minute. One minute increments is the general NZ industry standard. That mean that if you are on the phone for one minute or less, the call will be charged at five cents. If you are on the call for one minuite and 10 seconds, the cost will be .10 cents. So the dollars are not being rounds at all.

There was a comment earlier relating to forwarding calls to your mobile when unavailable. This feature does incur a charge. Forwarded and redirected calls are billed in the same manner as if you were to pick up the phone and dial.

In relation to the speed comments and those of you wanting options for lower speeds at a lower price....... I wish we could! The only NDSL service available for wholesale is the FS/FS access. I actually believe that in time, the matter of speed will completely dissapear and all copper based broadband services might end up simply operating at the highest speed that the line is able to support.

In a nutshell, between the cost of access, bandwidth, call termination and Maverick's insistance that the company actually make enough money to pay his salary so he can buy his beautiful wife a new pair of shoes every year, we are doing our best to make the product affordable and to give you value for money.

There is not a single solution on the planet that suites everyone on the planet, but we sure are trying to package the products in a manner that will add value to the majority. From what I can see, many people tally up the cost of their POTs line (maybe remembering to include the call minder, call waiting parts) and their Internet spend to come to a decision on whether or not they save enough to make it worth while. You have to remember, most of us geeks dont spend our lives on the phone as many people do. Those that actually make calls, both long distance and mobile can save a heck of a lot of money. Those of us that travel can save even more by taking our service on the road.

Prices will continue to drop, value will continue to be added and service support will continue to be the best here at WxC. We value your thoughts and ideas and many of you have had more impact than you can possibly imagine on the development and evolution of the Xnet Digital Voice services.

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  # 98526 6-Dec-2007 12:11
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Xnet: In a nutshell, between the cost of access, bandwidth, call termination and Maverick's insistance that the company actually make enough money to pay his salary so he can buy his beautiful wife a new pair of shoes every year, we are doing our best to make the product affordable and to give you value for money.


The ammount of questions that Phil answers in these forums would certainly make him worth every dollar of his salary. It is good to see a company that is customer focused such as yourselves taking time to answer our questions or helping solve any problems we may have. Keep up the good work.

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  # 98535 6-Dec-2007 12:57
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Xnet:

To the five cent rounding bit. VFX calls are rated in one minute increments at five cents per minute. One minute increments is the general NZ industry standard. That mean that if you are on the phone for one minute or less, the call will be charged at five cents. If you are on the call for one minuite and 10 seconds, the cost will be .10 cents. So the dollars are not being rounds at all.



Not sure if this is in relation to what was raised in the couple of questions about Xnet thread http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=65&topicid=17645&page_no=1#98505

If so then I think what had been described was that calls were being rounded to the nearest 5c even when they were not multiples of 5c? Eg if I made a 2 minute call to Afghanistan at $0.569 per min with 60 + 60 then this would cost $1.38 excl and $1.28 inc.yet be charged to the next 5c multiple?

I dont have my tolls with Xnet however I believe that may be what Neil is describing. I stand corrected if this is not the case, which it very well may not be.

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  # 98558 6-Dec-2007 14:52
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One thing that seems to be missing with VFX is capped calling like we already have for our WxC non-code tolls (no VFX at present - too costly). We pay $19.95/mth for 1000 mins to most civilised places in the world excl mobiles. This is a reasonable deal.

I think VFX needs this plan too. Or have I missed something. Otherwise I'll just end up paying the same amount as before - about $110-120/mth all up.

So for $90/mth I should get HSI (plus $1/Gb) & telephone service with capped calling. I'd definitely go for that !

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  # 98600 6-Dec-2007 17:40
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dazzap: One thing that seems to be missing with VFX is capped calling like we already have for our WxC non-code tolls (no VFX at present - too costly). We pay $19.95/mth for 1000 mins to most civilised places in the world excl mobiles. This is a reasonable deal.

I think VFX needs this plan too. Or have I missed something. Otherwise I'll just end up paying the same amount as before - about $110-120/mth all up.

This is something I noticed at the start of the year:
VFX tolls cost more than regular POTS tolls with Xnet!

Why would any one of those who make frequent long toll calls switch, when they'll be paying more for the same thing?




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