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  Reply # 1409395 19-Oct-2015 17:33
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JaniceL:  Hi,

Can you confirm if you are still having issues on the cse.google.co.nz and the other akamai content cdn.resignationmedia.com using the Vodafone Cable DNS?
Is platform.twitter the only remaining site stalling for your case?

Cheers


I can't confirm either way because I haven't "tested" extensively, but I haven't seen cse.google.* stall in the few instance that I've accessed Geekzone or Stuff (which is where I usually see them stall).  Can't say I've seen CDN issues either but honestly I've done very little browsing the last few days.

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  Reply # 1414703 27-Oct-2015 14:44
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Had some more stalling issues today. It took about 60 seconds to load up speedtest.net and stuff.co.nz

I only managed to trace speedtest.net, by the time that had finished things were back to normal.

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.10565]
(c) 2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Scott>tracert www.speedtest.net

Tracing route to cs62.adn.xicdn.net [110.232.178.82]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.******
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 12 ms 10 ms 8 ms lo0.internet.ivpn.pe15.telstraclear.net [218.101
.61.30]
4 17 ms 18 ms 17 ms ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.2]
5 16 ms 17 ms 16 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.
50.251]
6 19 ms 20 ms 21 ms unknown.telstraglobal.net [134.159.174.37]
7 154 ms 141 ms 142 ms i-0-0-1-0.1wlt-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.
84.142.157]
8 143 ms 141 ms 141 ms i-0-0-0-0.eqla01.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.25
1.194]
9 142 ms 142 ms 142 ms pacnet-peer.eqla01.pr.telstraglobal.net [134.159
.61.130]
10 208 ms 208 ms 208 ms gi8-0-0.gw3.lax1.asianetcom.net [202.147.58.142]

11 208 ms 208 ms 209 ms po4-0-0.cr2.nrt1.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.37]
12 216 ms 210 ms 208 ms ge-2-1-0-0.gw3.nrt5.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.18
2]
13 209 ms 217 ms 209 ms ECN-0028.asianetcom.net [203.192.129.226]
14 209 ms 211 ms 209 ms 192.16.4.93
15 235 ms 234 ms 234 ms 110.232.178.82

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Scott>

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1414729 27-Oct-2015 15:00
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Remember, your tracing to speedtest.net not the testing server itself.


What server are you trying to target for a trace?




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  Reply # 1414730 27-Oct-2015 15:00
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C:\Users\Scott>tracert www.speedtest.net

Tracing route to cs62.adn.xicdn.net [110.232.178.82]


Interesting. I did a traceroute to speedtest.net and got vastly different results:

C:\Users\Colton>tracert speedtest.net

Tracing route to speedtest.net [216.146.46.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms pfSense.localdomain [192.168.1.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 12 ms 9 ms 27 ms lo0.internet.ivpn.pe15.telstraclear.net [218.101.61.30]
4 17 ms 16 ms 17 ms ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.2]
5 18 ms 18 ms 16 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.251]
6 19 ms 18 ms 21 ms unknown.telstraglobal.net [134.159.174.41]
7 146 ms 146 ms 154 ms i-0-5-1-1.1wlt-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.84.142.114]
8 143 ms 144 ms 143 ms i-0-5-0-3.eqla01.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.253.14]
9 143 ms 143 ms 145 ms cogent-peer.eqla01.pr.telstraglobal.net [134.159.63.198]
10 143 ms 144 ms 144 ms be2179.ccr22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.41.81]
11 142 ms 143 ms 143 ms be2017.rcr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.0.237]
12 147 ms 142 ms 143 ms 38.104.83.190
13 142 ms 142 ms 142 ms redirector1.dynect.net [216.146.46.10]

Trace complete.


However, I then ran a traceroute to www.speedtest.net and saw something similar to what you had above.

C:\Users\Colton>tracert www.speedtest.net

Tracing route to cs62.adn.xicdn.net [110.232.178.82]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms pfSense.localdomain [192.168.1.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 116 ms 164 ms 129 ms lo0.internet.ivpn.pe15.telstraclear.net [218.101.61.30]
4 16 ms 17 ms 16 ms ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.2]
5 17 ms 17 ms 18 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.251]
6 22 ms 21 ms 20 ms unknown.telstraglobal.net [134.159.174.41]
7 144 ms 144 ms 145 ms i-0-0-1-0.1wlt-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.84.142.157]
8 143 ms 142 ms 143 ms i-0-0-0-5.eqla01.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.40.149.210]
9 142 ms 143 ms 143 ms pacnet-peer.eqla01.pr.telstraglobal.net [134.159.61.130]
10 225 ms 225 ms 225 ms gi8-1-0.gw5.lax1.asianetcom.net [202.147.61.157]
11 200 ms 200 ms 200 ms gi12-0-0.cr2.nrt1.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.125]
12 225 ms 225 ms 225 ms ge-2-1-0-0.gw3.nrt5.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.182]
13 200 ms 201 ms 200 ms ECN-0028.asianetcom.net [203.192.129.226]
14 226 ms 226 ms 225 ms 192.16.4.93
15 234 ms 225 ms 224 ms 110.232.178.82


It seems like different results get returned based on whether the domain is prefixed with www. That seems to happen on large sites that would employ CDNs (e.g. Google, Facebook, SpeedTest, etc). 

Oddly, pinging www.facebook.com has a ~40 ms latency. Conversely, pinging facebook.com returns near-200 ms latency. Google shows the opposite, where pinging google.com has a sub-10 ms average latency, while pinging www.google.com sits at twice that, with 20 ms latency.

Very strange.

The domains mostly seem to resolve to the same IP addresses with both Google and Vodafone DNS, though.





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  Reply # 1414756 27-Oct-2015 15:09
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What's up with lo0.internet.ivpn.pe15.telstraclear.net, by the way? My latency to that fluctuates wildly. I've been told that it could indicate internal issues with my network, so I ran it across a couple of sites that I found on Google and got similarly inconsistent response times.

My inconsistent latency is immediately noticeable in the traceroutes above. WebSitePulse (the first site I found on Google) shows these results:

rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 46.671/273.597/488.442/154.954 ms
 

When looking at the New Zealand results, Super-Ping (another site I found through Google) has a minimum latency of 25 ms; a maximum latency of 110.6 ms; an average latency of 53.6 ms; and a deviation of 40.3 ms.

Granted, simple pings only tell so much of the story, but something seems very off here, especially when you look at how consistent the latency is to virtually every other hop along the route.





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  Reply # 1414759 27-Oct-2015 15:11
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Ping is often not suitable for diagnosing apparent latency issues/variation. If you don't understand why my statement is true, then please just accept that at face value.

(If you already knew it, then you wouldn't bother posting funny ping results).

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 1414760 27-Oct-2015 15:11
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Along with pings, I'd think HAR files would be a good thing to collect as well but not sure if there is anyway to really get these to Vodafone? (Not that I've had the issue so far)

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  Reply # 1414764 27-Oct-2015 15:18
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Talkiet: If you don't understand why my statement is true, then please just accept that at face value.


Is there anything you could share instead, please? I dislike "taking things at face value", especially if it's against something that I've said. If I'm wrong, I want to learn why I'm wrong so that I don't spread misinformation or misdiagnose issues in the future.





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  Reply # 1414773 27-Oct-2015 15:26
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Kodiack:
Talkiet: If you don't understand why my statement is true, then please just accept that at face value.


Is there anything you could share instead, please? I dislike "taking things at face value", especially if it's against something that I've said. If I'm wrong, I want to learn why I'm wrong so that I don't spread misinformation or misdiagnose issues in the future.


At a very simple level, not all elements on the Internet (routers/servers) respond to ping (ICMP) packets in the same way as they respond to other traffic. Some are rate limited, some don't respond at all and others may be behind load balancers which confuse things even further.

Whatever the scenario, unless you know about the config on the element you're pinging, unless it shows a very clear pattern (extremely consistent times), you can't be sure if the variability is due to congestion, deliberate configuration, a misconfiguration, a fault or some other reason.

Many, MANY examples I see posted on here held up as "Look at this, something MUST be wrong" are just expected behaviour.

Cheers - N

(Edit: Why didn't I say this first time? Because basically no-one listens, and the same questions will be asked tomorrow and the day after... It's tiring explaining and re-explaining things that aren't intuitive and no-one wants to understand)

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  Reply # 1414787 27-Oct-2015 15:35
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Fair enough. I understand that times can be different and that such behaviour doesn't necessarily indicate an issue.

I didn't mean for my posts to say "Hey, here's an issue!" - I hope that they didn't come off that way either. I just found it rather peculiar that there was such a wide spread in latency for that first external hop. I don't often see that, so I figured that it may have potentially been something worth pointing out. At best, it may have indeed been a useful trend to note. At worst, nothing would come of it.

Troubleshooting is a fun little game, and admittedly I'm not perfect at it. I do a lot of technical support in my spare time, though, and I'm always happier to see someone share too much information than too little. Even if the information may not even be entirely relevant, it's still a learning experience for both sides. :)

Thanks for replying! I much prefer having some extra info to work with.





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  Reply # 1414869 27-Oct-2015 16:39
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Scotty1986: Had some more stalling issues today. It took about 60 seconds to load up speedtest.net and stuff.co.nz

I only managed to trace speedtest.net, by the time that had finished things were back to normal.

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.10565]
(c) 2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Scott>tracert www.speedtest.net

Tracing route to cs62.adn.xicdn.net [110.232.178.82]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.******
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 12 ms 10 ms 8 ms lo0.internet.ivpn.pe15.telstraclear.net [218.101
.61.30]
4 17 ms 18 ms 17 ms ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.2]
5 16 ms 17 ms 16 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.
50.251]
6 19 ms 20 ms 21 ms unknown.telstraglobal.net [134.159.174.37]
7 154 ms 141 ms 142 ms i-0-0-1-0.1wlt-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.
84.142.157]
8 143 ms 141 ms 141 ms i-0-0-0-0.eqla01.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.25
1.194]
9 142 ms 142 ms 142 ms pacnet-peer.eqla01.pr.telstraglobal.net [134.159
.61.130]
10 208 ms 208 ms 208 ms gi8-0-0.gw3.lax1.asianetcom.net [202.147.58.142]

11 208 ms 208 ms 209 ms po4-0-0.cr2.nrt1.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.37]
12 216 ms 210 ms 208 ms ge-2-1-0-0.gw3.nrt5.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.18
2]
13 209 ms 217 ms 209 ms ECN-0028.asianetcom.net [203.192.129.226]
14 209 ms 211 ms 209 ms 192.16.4.93
15 235 ms 234 ms 234 ms 110.232.178.82

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Scott>


Which  browser are you using? iwhich site it was stalling? if using firefox try tools>> web developer>> network      and see which url it is stalling at.

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  Reply # 1415573 28-Oct-2015 16:03
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JaniceL:
Scotty1986: Had some more stalling issues today. It took about 60 seconds to load up speedtest.net and stuff.co.nz

I only managed to trace speedtest.net, by the time that had finished things were back to normal.

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.10565]
(c) 2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Scott>tracert www.speedtest.net

Tracing route to cs62.adn.xicdn.net [110.232.178.82]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.******
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 12 ms 10 ms 8 ms lo0.internet.ivpn.pe15.telstraclear.net [218.101
.61.30]
4 17 ms 18 ms 17 ms ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.2]
5 16 ms 17 ms 16 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.
50.251]
6 19 ms 20 ms 21 ms unknown.telstraglobal.net [134.159.174.37]
7 154 ms 141 ms 142 ms i-0-0-1-0.1wlt-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.
84.142.157]
8 143 ms 141 ms 141 ms i-0-0-0-0.eqla01.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.25
1.194]
9 142 ms 142 ms 142 ms pacnet-peer.eqla01.pr.telstraglobal.net [134.159
.61.130]
10 208 ms 208 ms 208 ms gi8-0-0.gw3.lax1.asianetcom.net [202.147.58.142]

11 208 ms 208 ms 209 ms po4-0-0.cr2.nrt1.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.37]
12 216 ms 210 ms 208 ms ge-2-1-0-0.gw3.nrt5.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.18
2]
13 209 ms 217 ms 209 ms ECN-0028.asianetcom.net [203.192.129.226]
14 209 ms 211 ms 209 ms 192.16.4.93
15 235 ms 234 ms 234 ms 110.232.178.82

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Scott>


Which  browser are you using? iwhich site it was stalling? if using firefox try tools>> web developer>> network      and see which url it is stalling at.


Latest chrome. Sorry, but I don't have much knowledge on this topic, I just supplied what others were supplying when they have issues. All I know is that sometimes, the same few sites just load halfway then sit there for minutes before completing the load, it just all of a sudden finishes loading instantly. Stuff, Geekzone, and Speedtest.net seem to be the most effected for me.

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  Reply # 1417751 31-Oct-2015 16:48
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Stuff geekzone speedtest and xda for me. I know I haven't provided the requested logs (a second time). I'm out of time and energy to devote to this and just visit those sites on my mobile data where they work fine (like they did on spark, snap and Orcon before this). Been a problem since I signed up with vodafone, a problem for multiple users by the sound of it.

Moving from current property in a month and will only follow up if I can't get fibre or vdsl when we find a new place.

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  Reply # 1418853 2-Nov-2015 14:32
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Geekzone was stalling about at 1.30pm today. Left it and came back later on and was finished loading

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  Reply # 1419052 2-Nov-2015 17:57
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Using Firefox, DNS are .43 and .44 and it stalls on pagead2.googlesyndication.com


Tracing route to pagead46.l.doubleclick.net [74.125.237.13] over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * * * Request timed out.
2 26 ms 13 ms 18 ms lo0.internet.ivpn.pe25.telstraclear.net [218.101.61.124]
3 17 ms 31 ms 18 ms ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.2]
4 18 ms 20 ms 18 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.251]
5 19 ms 29 ms 19 ms gi2-20.akl-grafton-bdr1.ihug.net [203.109.130.41]
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 44 ms 44 ms 42 ms UNASSIGNED.vf.net.nz [203.109.180.182]
8 42 ms 41 ms 52 ms 216.239.51.218
9 43 ms 43 ms 44 ms 216.239.56.85
10 44 ms 41 ms 43 ms syd09s06-in-f13.1e100.net [74.125.237.13]






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