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  #1466446 9-Jan-2016 11:03
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I disagree, you want it you pay for it.



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  #1466451 9-Jan-2016 11:09
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richms: Laws dont allow things, the prohibit things.

So where is the law that says that they cant pass this charge on to you, or make up any charge and stick it on the bill?


Where is the law that says I have to pay whatever they randomly stick on my bill that is not part of my telecom service but of their tax liability?





 
 
 
 




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  #1466452 9-Jan-2016 11:10
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richms: Laws dont allow things, the prohibit things.

So where is the law that says that they cant pass this charge on to you, or make up any charge and stick it on the bill?


That depends whether the law system is Roman based or Napoleonic based.





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  #1466453 9-Jan-2016 11:11
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Geektastic:
richms: Laws dont allow things, the prohibit things.

So where is the law that says that they cant pass this charge on to you, or make up any charge and stick it on the bill?


Where is the law that says I have to pay whatever they randomly stick on my bill that is not part of my telecom service but of their tax liability?


I agree, and how many politicians own farms in rural areas.



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  #1466454 9-Jan-2016 11:11
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tdgeek:
MikeB4: Isn't this just a few dollars? Small charge to improve our infrastructure in our most important revenue generating regions


$11.88 per year.

Not worth a thread or a news article IMHO


I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....I do not accept that they have any right to simply pass on a cost imposed on them by the regulator/government in that way. They do not, for example, have line items for my share of their salary bill or transport costs.

If the cost increase requires them to make a business decision to increase their prices to cover it, then that is part of business in the same way that they might do that to reflect increased petrol costs or electricity costs. Passing the taxation charge on directly is not.





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  #1466455 9-Jan-2016 11:14
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Geektastic :

I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....


hope you enjoy your downgraded credit rating in 6 month time.

personal i am happy to pay for it, and use it every time i drive out of town - with out this you get 2km out of town - no phone till you get to another town.

btw geektastic - was it you who was complaining about voda speed in your small town? can not have it both ways

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  #1466476 9-Jan-2016 12:12
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Geektastic: I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....I do not accept that they have any right to simply pass on a cost imposed on them by the regulator/government in that way.


You're going to be very busy working out how much to pay the suppliers of numerous goods and services. Many organisations have government and/or industry levies imposed on them which will be, at least in part, included in the price you pay (either directly or indirectly).

For example:
- House and contents insurance includes a levy from the Fire Service.
- Timber producers have the Forest Growers Levy for funding research and to promote the industry.
- Ships pay the Oil Pollution Fund levy to run New Zealand’s maritime oil pollution preparedness and response system.
- DairyNZ imposes a milk solids levy on all cow's milk sold to a dairy company.
- Many fruits and vegetables have a levy, such as the Summerfruit Commodity Levy and the Vegetable and Fruit Commodity Levy.
- The Electricity Industry Levy funds the Electricity Authority.
- The Problem Gambling Levy contributes to government costs of problem gambling.
- ACC levies are included in petrol to contribute to accident costs.
- etc, etc.

In many cases it will be difficult to work out by how much to underpay your bill as some suppliers don't provide an itemized breakdown of the levy. Perhaps there's an opportunity for someone to develop an app to help people with their civil disobedience?

 
 
 
 


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  #1466482 9-Jan-2016 12:38
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ajw: I disagree, you want it you pay for it.

So rural people pay megabucks each for improved connections to enable them to run an effective business.
There is a significant increase the price of meat, milk, eggs, fruit, and vegies to cover the costs.
Your grocery shop costs more, dining out costs more, and so on.

You'll be unhappy about that too.


If you want a totally user pays system, go to the US, where even basic healthcare costs the earth.




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  #1466483 9-Jan-2016 12:43
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Geektastic:
tdgeek:
MikeB4: Isn't this just a few dollars? Small charge to improve our infrastructure in our most important revenue generating regions


$11.88 per year.

Not worth a thread or a news article IMHO


I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....I do not accept that they have any right to simply pass on a cost imposed on them by the regulator/government in that way. They do not, for example, have line items for my share of their salary bill or transport costs.

If the cost increase requires them to make a business decision to increase their prices to cover it, then that is part of business in the same way that they might do that to reflect increased petrol costs or electricity costs. Passing the taxation charge on directly is not.


They pass on rates for buildings, import duties on goods, RUCs on their fleet of course they can pass this on. If you don't pay it they also have the right to cut your service and take you to court to recover the funds




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  #1466484 9-Jan-2016 12:43
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Geektastic:
tdgeek:
MikeB4: Isn't this just a few dollars? Small charge to improve our infrastructure in our most important revenue generating regions


$11.88 per year.

Not worth a thread or a news article IMHO


I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....I do not accept that they have any right to simply pass on a cost imposed on them by the regulator/government in that way. They do not, for example, have line items for my share of their salary bill or transport costs.

If the cost increase requires them to make a business decision to increase their prices to cover it, then that is part of business in the same way that they might do that to reflect increased petrol costs or electricity costs. Passing the taxation charge on directly is not.


They pass on rates for buildings, import duties on goods, RUCs on their fleet of course they can pass this on. If you don't pay it they also have the right to cut your service and take you to court to recover the funds




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  #1466514 9-Jan-2016 14:21
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Ouranos:
Geektastic: I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....I do not accept that they have any right to simply pass on a cost imposed on them by the regulator/government in that way.


You're going to be very busy working out how much to pay the suppliers of numerous goods and services. Many organisations have government and/or industry levies imposed on them which will be, at least in part, included in the price you pay (either directly or indirectly).

For example:
- House and contents insurance includes a levy from the Fire Service.
- Timber producers have the Forest Growers Levy for funding research and to promote the industry.
- Ships pay the Oil Pollution Fund levy to run New Zealand’s maritime oil pollution preparedness and response system.
- DairyNZ imposes a milk solids levy on all cow's milk sold to a dairy company.
- Many fruits and vegetables have a levy, such as the Summerfruit Commodity Levy and the Vegetable and Fruit Commodity Levy.
- The Electricity Industry Levy funds the Electricity Authority.
- The Problem Gambling Levy contributes to government costs of problem gambling.
- ACC levies are included in petrol to contribute to accident costs.
- etc, etc.

In many cases it will be difficult to work out by how much to underpay your bill as some suppliers don't provide an itemized breakdown of the levy. Perhaps there's an opportunity for someone to develop an app to help people with their civil disobedience?


AS I see it, Geektastic has no issues with the charge, he wants it built in, and not seperate. So he wont pay that charge for that reason. Hmm, ok

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  #1466540 9-Jan-2016 14:45
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Thread TLDR - much ado about nothing?

In all seriousness I think a few peoples moral compasses are a bit haywire if they will not contribute 99c to make this country a better place... geez.








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  #1466543 9-Jan-2016 14:53
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andrewNZ:
ajw: I disagree, you want it you pay for it.

So rural people pay megabucks each for improved connections to enable them to run an effective business.
There is a significant increase the price of meat, milk, eggs, fruit, and vegies to cover the costs.
Your grocery shop costs more, dining out costs more, and so on.

You'll be unhappy about that too.


If you want a totally user pays system, go to the US, where even basic healthcare costs the earth.


But these people like to live in the rural environment, no traffic, no pollution, cheap housing and rates, close to town and their jobs.  Then they complain about having to pay more  for phone and internet,  motor fuel and  some additional food costs.  You can't have it both ways..

 

 




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  #1466551 9-Jan-2016 15:12
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ajw: I disagree, if people choose to live in a rural location why should the taxpayer have to contribute by paying millions of $$$ in subsidies to supply modern telecommunications infrastructure. People are not forced to live in rural locations.


That is a specious argument. Many people have little choice where they live. Many also spend their lives working hard to keep the economy afloat with farm and forestry exports, tourism, mining, etc. etc. I suppose you want to cram everyone in the country into Auckland high rises at $10 million for one bedroom. People who 'choose' to live in the country contribute every bit as much as you do, and have every bit as much right to community resources.
 




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  #1466620 9-Jan-2016 17:24
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Rikkitic:
ajw: I disagree, if people choose to live in a rural location why should the taxpayer have to contribute by paying millions of $$$ in subsidies to supply modern telecommunications infrastructure. People are not forced to live in rural locations.


That is a specious argument. Many people have little choice where they live. Many also spend their lives working hard to keep the economy afloat with farm and forestry exports, tourism, mining, etc. etc. I suppose you want to cram everyone in the country into Auckland high rises at $10 million for one bedroom. People who 'choose' to live in the country contribute every bit as much as you do, and have every bit as much right to community resources.
 


I cannot get fibre in my street until at least 2019 but you don't see me going crying to the government because I don't have a fibre connection. I say again if there was a return on investment the telecoes would have wired up rural areas years ago.

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