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Topic # 191334 1-Feb-2016 13:12
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Guys & Girls, 

 

Bit stuffed here as a total amateur, someone please steer me in the right direction, and sorry for the dumb noobie query - we’ve read a fair amount, but still struggle to find a recent, definitive post on this issue, if there is direct us & delete this. 

 

We’ve tried 4 Vodafone Employees, but they either

 

(i) shoot straight & say ‘no idea bro’ (which is fine)

 

(ii) say it works, easy as, you’ll be fine (which isn’t) or

 

(iii) hang up (not fine) or

 

(iv) try to help by copying instructions from various sites which already started have been well read a month earlier, and tried & failed with.

 

Issue: Need reliable connection, with static id’s for quite a few of the devices (13-16) as some don’t like being re-assigned addresses it stuff’s up cams & alarm access from phone etc & o/seas.

 

SHG1500 worked ok, once Vodafone re-flashed it open but more than occasionally dropped connection, mostly when someone DL’d something (only ever legit !!!!) like a torrent for an instruction manual etc for example. Isn't that so-called shaping ?

 

Voda Tech advised HG659 to solve stability/dhcp control issues & ours came in H/W Ver. ‘B’. We verified latest F/W and then went about bridging it so an Apple could do aforementioned dhcp/nat… how the feck, does one actually get this thing in full bridge mode, permanently, and it has to, as otherwise it constantly alters addresses, port f/ward rules etc... straight up, what details are requisite for solving? Examining the 2 web interfaces, despite what Voda says to me, Vodafone product is definitely a wee tad different than the SPARK model it seems.

 

Beta / Setup simplified:

 

1.Location: [removed] 

 

2. Vodafone Homeline Connection Naked Broadband ADS2+ / Vodafone Mobile Connection [removed] 

 

3. Modem: hg659b Ver: B 

 

Unit Access OEM: vodafone/vodafone 

 

Admin Access: [removed]

 

Vodafone ADSL Pass for Harlan: [removed]

 

Device WLAN: vodafone706D/[removed]

 

Device ID: [removed]

 

Software: V100R001C206B019

 

4. Apple 5th Generation Airport Extreme Base Station / h-abs-1 / h-aebs WAN —————> LAN1 hg659b

 

5. Vodafone sure-signal WAN ——————>  LAN1 h-aebs

 

6. Apple TV Model A1469 / h-atc -------> LAN2 h-aebs

 

7. Apple 4th Generation 2Tb Time Capsule Base Station / h-atc / h-atc WAN ————— > LAN3 h-aebs

 

8. Apple MacBook Pro 1TB SSD / h-mbp17 / h-mbp17 —————> LAN4 h-aebs 

 

Apart from the hg659b & ‘sure-signal we're confident'ish of latest softares/firmwares on devices… Apples are dual band 2.4/5GHz etc… cams all do wireless 'n' at least, gate is the same, Parabeams same, and the alarm’s plumbed straight in on hard wire to telephone line under house.

 

So theres just the ‘sure’-signal (LAN1), Apple TV (LAN2), Apple Time Capsule (LAN3) & MBP17/Cinema displays (LAN4) that act as my ‘desktop' ------------>>  plugged into the 1st modem-router (h-aebs) while everything else is hopefully wireless.

 

Have 2 x Apple Airport Extreme Base Stations spare, one 4th Gen & one 5th Gen, enabling ‘6’ more LAN ports if needed, but that means more ethernet cables and messiness under the house etc isn’t an aim. 

 

No master splitter (we do not have VDSL, we have ADSL2+ AFAIK) 

 

No line stats, we asked Voda Tech, they didn’t know what we were even asking about, the hg659b doesn’t seems to be able to display them to us, not fully like you guys always ask for ? We asked Vodafone for line stats to be availed but.. surely they could have tested / emailed / txt’d the results to us but. 

 

Don’t like giving up, have a car, enough money, and on the HG659B though we are close to flagging it, if we have to go get something today then we can, and we will have it installed before sundown, otherwise be great if we could use this so far useless white HG659B…. ?

 

Starting to think we need to change to ISP, get another device to connect to the ADSL jackpoint or something, its massively time consuming, TV doesn’t work, lights don’t work, cam’s don’t work, hi-fi doesn’t work… no intranet, no internet, no phone, nothing.

 

Don’t think Voda understand, at all, the grief this is causing.

 

Will do out of box restore on the HG659B now, get online & post..... another couple of hours wasted, but online & posting…

 

Again, really sorry if this is in the wrong place.

 

As it stands after full restore & ready to be bridged again hopefully the last time:

 

 

 

internet_adsl

 

Name:internet-adsl

 

Access type: DSL

 

IPv4 status: Connected

 

IPv4 address: [removed]

 

IPv4 primary DNS server: 203.109.191.1

 

IPv4 secondary DNS server: 203.118.191.1

 

 

 

Basic Info:

 

Enable connection: Ticked

 

Name: internet_adsl

 

Service type: INTERNET (only ticked)

 

Connection type: IP routing (PPP)

 

MRU:1492

 

MSS:1452

 

NAT type:NAPT

 

 

 

Link Information

 

DSL mode: All

 

VPI/VCI: 0 / 100

 

Link mode: PPPoA

 

Service type: UBR without PCR

 

Encapsulation mode: LLCVCMUX

 

Enable VLAN: Not ticked

 

 

 

PPP Information

 

PPP authentication mode: Auto

 

PPP trigger mode: Always online

 

Internet account: [removed]

 

Internet password: [removed]

 

 

 

IP Information

 

IP protocol version: IPv4

 

Static DNS: Not ticked (Have used DynDNS no prob in past)

 

 

 

Lastly, am happy, and able to travel, pay for a decent unit, and can screen grab, allow access, whatever it takes, I have beer or money for a result,

 

TIA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1482763 1-Feb-2016 13:12
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Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.

 

If you are posting regarding DSL speeds please check that

 

  • you have reset your modem and router 
  • your PC (or other PCs in your LAN) is not downloading large files when you are testing - you are not being throttled by your ISP due to going over the monthly cap 
  • your tests are always done on an ethernet connection to the router - do not use wireless for testing 
  • you read this topic and follow the instructions there.

Make sure you provide information for other users to help you. If you have not already done it, please EDIT your post and add this now:

 

  • Your ISP and plan 
  • Type of connection (ADSL, ADSL2, VDSL) 
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  • Your general location (or street) 
  • If you are rural or urban 
  • If you know your connection is to an exchange, cabinet or conklin 
  • If your connection is to a ULL or wholesale service 
  • If you have done an isolation test as per the link above 

Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.

 

A master splitter is required for VDSL2 and in most cases will improve speeds on DSL connections. Regular disconnections can be a monitored alarm or a set top box trying to connect. If there's an alarm connected to your line even if you don't have an alarm contract it may still try to connect so it's worth checking.

 

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  Reply # 1482777 1-Feb-2016 13:17
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You should probably remove your phone numbers, passwords and other personal details from that post right away.


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  Reply # 1482784 1-Feb-2016 13:25
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Is there a specific reason you want to bridge this to an Apple airport, using the airport for NAT/DHCP? If not, it would be far easier to let your modem to authentication, NAT, DHCP, and then set up the DHCP server in the modem to hand out static IPs to each device.


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  Reply # 1482787 1-Feb-2016 13:27
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  Reply # 1482791 1-Feb-2016 13:31
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Thanks a lot team,

 

 

 

Those details, anyone could get, they're available in the public arena for any bad people to gather anyway, but thats 100% fine.

 

 

 

Please if someone knows how to sort this, PM me I can make sure whatever's required is running at this end, so I can watch the mouse go flying round on my screens, and duly drop something upon your doorstep or make an internet transfer to your account.

 

 

 

Does anyone know how to get the HG659B bridged and allowing an Apple to just fog back to work, those Apples, they work fine for me, all the addresses stay the same, they don't change rules, I can see who's inspecting things around the place when they think I am not looking.

 

 

 

Shouldn't this be easy?

 

 

 

Again, TIA


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  Reply # 1482796 1-Feb-2016 13:40
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Your internet account details and password should definitely not be in the public arena...

 

I'm still not clear on why you need to use the Apple gear to do DHCP/NAT - a far cleaner way is to put the Apple base stations into bridge mode, so the modem does DHCP and NAT, but still leave everything (WiFi or ethernet) connected through those base stations.


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  Reply # 1482799 1-Feb-2016 13:48
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If you must have the Apple router terminating the connection and doing NAT/DHCP then there are two ways on an ADSL connection:

 

1) Use a Dynalink RTA1320 or similar in half bridge mode, and set the WAN connection of the airport to pick up it's address from the RTA1320 via DHCP. In this case, the RTA1320 does the authentication bu nothing else.

 

2) Use a Draytek Vigor 120 (or 130 will work with VDSL too) in PPPoa/PPPoE bridge mode to convert the incoming PPPoA connection to something the airport can use as PPPoE. In this case, set the airport to get it's WAN connection via PPPoE with your vodafone name/password.

 

You can't full bridge a modem to the Airport, because doing that requires a router which can tag the WAN port with VLAN10 (very frustrating that Apple hasn't implemented this feature!).




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  Reply # 1482800 1-Feb-2016 13:51
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FAT: Shall I look on Trademe right now, then, for an DrayTek Vigor 130?

 

And see if I can buy / collect now?

 

This is the shizzle, I need to know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you must have the Apple router terminating the connection and doing NAT/DHCP then there are two ways on an ADSL connection:

 

1) Use a Dynalink RTA1320 or similar in half bridge mode, and set the WAN connection of the airport to pick up it's address from the RTA1320 via DHCP. In this case, the RTA1320 does the authentication bu nothing else.

 

2) Use a Draytek Vigor 120 (or 130 will work with VDSL too) in PPPoa/PPPoE bridge mode to convert the incoming PPPoA connection to something the airport can use as PPPoE. In this case, set the airport to get it's WAN connection via PPPoE with your vodafone name/password.

 

You can't full bridge a modem to the Airport, because doing that requires a router which can tag the WAN port with VLAN10 (very frustrating that Apple hasn't implemented this feature!).

 

 




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  Reply # 1482805 1-Feb-2016 13:56
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Did Apple remove this feature from its firmware, in recent updates or something... I still mostly use Apple Airport Utility 5.6 which although very old, is vasty;u more sophisticated than the crap Airport Utility Program of nowadays.

 

 

 

You can't full bridge a modem to the Airport, because doing that requires a router which can tag the WAN port with VLAN10 (very frustrating that Apple hasn't implemented this feature!).


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  Reply # 1482811 1-Feb-2016 14:04
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apple has never had VLAN tagging to the best of my knowledge


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  Reply # 1482813 1-Feb-2016 14:10
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harlansmart:

 

Did Apple remove this feature from its firmware, in recent updates or something... I still mostly use Apple Airport Utility 5.6 which although very old, is vasty;u more sophisticated than the crap Airport Utility Program of nowadays.

 

 

 

Yeah, the older versions of Airport Utility had better functionality. As for VLAN tagging the WAN port, never had it, but IMHO should have it...




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  Reply # 1482814 1-Feb-2016 14:10
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Mauricio,

 

Doesn't look like I can place a WTB: DrayTek Vigor 130 advert?

 

Would rather try here, than another site.


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  Reply # 1482819 1-Feb-2016 14:14
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harlansmart:

 

[snip]

 

FAT: Shall I look on Trademe right now, then, for an DrayTek Vigor 130?

 

And see if I can buy / collect now?

 

 

 


Try a wanted ad here, or look for someone offloading a DV120.

 

EDIT: Wanted forum not available to brand new users...




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  Reply # 1482821 1-Feb-2016 14:15
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Ok.... looks like I can't quickly get a DrayTek Vigor 130 from the Marketplace here, am looking on Trademe right now....

 

 

 

Ok, is this what I need?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sadly, a search shows none today argh.

 




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  Reply # 1482830 1-Feb-2016 14:30
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Anyone know what other units, preferably one I can go collect now, that will do what we need here, i.e bridge fully to the apples & enable tagging on the WAN port with VLAN10 whatnot?

 

 


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