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Master Geek

#191334 1-Feb-2016 13:12
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Guys & Girls, 


Bit stuffed here as a total amateur, someone please steer me in the right direction, and sorry for the dumb noobie query - we’ve read a fair amount, but still struggle to find a recent, definitive post on this issue, if there is direct us & delete this. 


We’ve tried 4 Vodafone Employees, but they either


(i) shoot straight & say ‘no idea bro’ (which is fine)


(ii) say it works, easy as, you’ll be fine (which isn’t) or


(iii) hang up (not fine) or


(iv) try to help by copying instructions from various sites which already started have been well read a month earlier, and tried & failed with.


Issue: Need reliable connection, with static id’s for quite a few of the devices (13-16) as some don’t like being re-assigned addresses it stuff’s up cams & alarm access from phone etc & o/seas.


SHG1500 worked ok, once Vodafone re-flashed it open but more than occasionally dropped connection, mostly when someone DL’d something (only ever legit !!!!) like a torrent for an instruction manual etc for example. Isn't that so-called shaping ?


Voda Tech advised HG659 to solve stability/dhcp control issues & ours came in H/W Ver. ‘B’. We verified latest F/W and then went about bridging it so an Apple could do aforementioned dhcp/nat… how the feck, does one actually get this thing in full bridge mode, permanently, and it has to, as otherwise it constantly alters addresses, port f/ward rules etc... straight up, what details are requisite for solving? Examining the 2 web interfaces, despite what Voda says to me, Vodafone product is definitely a wee tad different than the SPARK model it seems.


Beta / Setup simplified:


1.Location: [removed] 


2. Vodafone Homeline Connection Naked Broadband ADS2+ / Vodafone Mobile Connection [removed] 


3. Modem: hg659b Ver: B 


Unit Access OEM: vodafone/vodafone 


Admin Access: [removed]


Vodafone ADSL Pass for Harlan: [removed]


Device WLAN: vodafone706D/[removed]


Device ID: [removed]


Software: V100R001C206B019


4. Apple 5th Generation Airport Extreme Base Station / h-abs-1 / h-aebs WAN —————> LAN1 hg659b


5. Vodafone sure-signal WAN ——————>  LAN1 h-aebs


6. Apple TV Model A1469 / h-atc -------> LAN2 h-aebs


7. Apple 4th Generation 2Tb Time Capsule Base Station / h-atc / h-atc WAN ————— > LAN3 h-aebs


8. Apple MacBook Pro 1TB SSD / h-mbp17 / h-mbp17 —————> LAN4 h-aebs 


Apart from the hg659b & ‘sure-signal we're confident'ish of latest softares/firmwares on devices… Apples are dual band 2.4/5GHz etc… cams all do wireless 'n' at least, gate is the same, Parabeams same, and the alarm’s plumbed straight in on hard wire to telephone line under house.


So theres just the ‘sure’-signal (LAN1), Apple TV (LAN2), Apple Time Capsule (LAN3) & MBP17/Cinema displays (LAN4) that act as my ‘desktop' ------------>>  plugged into the 1st modem-router (h-aebs) while everything else is hopefully wireless.


Have 2 x Apple Airport Extreme Base Stations spare, one 4th Gen & one 5th Gen, enabling ‘6’ more LAN ports if needed, but that means more ethernet cables and messiness under the house etc isn’t an aim. 


No master splitter (we do not have VDSL, we have ADSL2+ AFAIK) 


No line stats, we asked Voda Tech, they didn’t know what we were even asking about, the hg659b doesn’t seems to be able to display them to us, not fully like you guys always ask for ? We asked Vodafone for line stats to be availed but.. surely they could have tested / emailed / txt’d the results to us but. 


Don’t like giving up, have a car, enough money, and on the HG659B though we are close to flagging it, if we have to go get something today then we can, and we will have it installed before sundown, otherwise be great if we could use this so far useless white HG659B…. ?


Starting to think we need to change to ISP, get another device to connect to the ADSL jackpoint or something, its massively time consuming, TV doesn’t work, lights don’t work, cam’s don’t work, hi-fi doesn’t work… no intranet, no internet, no phone, nothing.


Don’t think Voda understand, at all, the grief this is causing.


Will do out of box restore on the HG659B now, get online & post..... another couple of hours wasted, but online & posting…


Again, really sorry if this is in the wrong place.


As it stands after full restore & ready to be bridged again hopefully the last time:








Access type: DSL


IPv4 status: Connected


IPv4 address: [removed]


IPv4 primary DNS server:


IPv4 secondary DNS server:




Basic Info:


Enable connection: Ticked


Name: internet_adsl


Service type: INTERNET (only ticked)


Connection type: IP routing (PPP)










Link Information


DSL mode: All


VPI/VCI: 0 / 100


Link mode: PPPoA


Service type: UBR without PCR


Encapsulation mode: LLCVCMUX


Enable VLAN: Not ticked




PPP Information


PPP authentication mode: Auto


PPP trigger mode: Always online


Internet account: [removed]


Internet password: [removed]




IP Information


IP protocol version: IPv4


Static DNS: Not ticked (Have used DynDNS no prob in past)




Lastly, am happy, and able to travel, pay for a decent unit, and can screen grab, allow access, whatever it takes, I have beer or money for a result,





















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Uber Geek

  #1482799 1-Feb-2016 13:48
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If you must have the Apple router terminating the connection and doing NAT/DHCP then there are two ways on an ADSL connection:


1) Use a Dynalink RTA1320 or similar in half bridge mode, and set the WAN connection of the airport to pick up it's address from the RTA1320 via DHCP. In this case, the RTA1320 does the authentication bu nothing else.


2) Use a Draytek Vigor 120 (or 130 will work with VDSL too) in PPPoa/PPPoE bridge mode to convert the incoming PPPoA connection to something the airport can use as PPPoE. In this case, set the airport to get it's WAN connection via PPPoE with your vodafone name/password.


You can't full bridge a modem to the Airport, because doing that requires a router which can tag the WAN port with VLAN10 (very frustrating that Apple hasn't implemented this feature!).

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Uber Geek

  #1483058 1-Feb-2016 19:40
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1) Set the DV130 to PPPoA-PPPoE bridge mode (forget the exact name they call it)


2) Plug LAN DV130 to WAN AEBS


3) Configure WAN (Internet) of AEBS to use PPPoE connection. Enter your Vodafone name/password in the AEBS PPPoE settings. Leave the "service name" field empty.


4) Enable DHCP/NAT on the AEBS




In this setup, the DV130 is taking the PPPoATM ADSL connection, and turning it into a PPPoEthernet connection that the AEBS understands. The AEBS is your main router, doing the authentication, and providing NAT/DHCP. Because of the PPPoA-PPPoE translation, you have no requirement for a VLAN10 tag.






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Master Geek

  #1487561 8-Feb-2016 16:19
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RunningMan, hio77, Spyware, naturally freitasm & of course firefuze,


huge thank you, yesterday between frantically searching under the house, & in the pink batts for something, & running the odd internet cable (They are all too short, need 3 x 15m ethernet cables, or I might jemmy up telephone cable to do the job as I am cashless) well between doing all his poorly I managed to plug one of the aforementioned manky telephone cords into the little DV130 (its so awesome firefuze) popped an ethernet cable from it,to my old Apple & waited... while waiting I noted the DV's menu's etc, wow its a very good product, I (who I again must add who knows very very little) still recognised it as a quality bit of kit immediately - bit more waiting... reset on the AEBS & she (all) ran... perfectly too I might add, today IP's assigned are all still the same, this is with very very little setup, virtually none - I am sure, you guys would tune it, make it faster whatnot but its just humming, 'click, snap, just instant' - best of all, its still all working. 


Only thing (you will laugh) not working is the sureSignal, likely hunting for 192.168.1.x but stuff is all at 10.0.0.x. Is the Enterprise sure/Signal much better, or back to a Cel-Fi rip-off... or maybe just finding out how to setup the VSSignal suitably (ahhh, heres something online, just that I do not trust these instructions anymore).... 


Just need some Ethernet cables now, like a spiders web in here, and I can put the house back together & get a flatmate lol


This was, as usual, an extremely simple problem, but it cost me literally, 100's of hours, millions of brain cells, typical;ly simplicity being the hardest thing to achieve...


Common sense, the least commonly used sense by humans,


As we stand..





See my Spiders Web.. thats the ATC, leads to the brekkie bar and joins the sureSignal & appleTV heading inside the AEBS via LAN ports, AEBS WAN ----> DV130 perfection.




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