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nzbsgfan
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  #1628202 12-Sep-2016 21:58
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What's your ISP ?

ElectronicFerret
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  #1636348 20-Sep-2016 09:01
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TimA:

 

Possible - Yes 

 

 I had it done a few times for customers, Required a static IP and whitelisting that IP in the firewall on the VF end, Plug in and play. Cant remember much more technical details apart from that and it worked.

 

 

I've just had word back from the "Vodafone Complex team" that it (Sure Signal on non Vodafone connections) is not supported..... AND if they find anyone actively working to get around this requirement, they will disconnect them without warning.

 

Apparently any ISP (other than Vodafone) advertising or supporting Sure Signal on their network is doing it without Vodafone's approval and against their terms of service.

 

Hopefully Telecom or 2Degrees come up with an alternative as Vodafone are shooting themselves in the foot.

 

Strangely, this kind of attitude is why our customers are breaking the law using unapproved signal boosters from China and potentially flooding Vodafone's spectrum and it's harmonics with noise.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #1636352 20-Sep-2016 09:07
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ElectronicFerret:

 

I've just had word back from the "Vodafone Complex team" that it (Sure Signal on non Vodafone connections) is not supported..... AND if they find anyone actively working to get around this requirement, they will disconnect them without warning.

 

Apparently any ISP (other than Vodafone) advertising or supporting Sure Signal on their network is doing it without Vodafone's approval and against their terms of service.

 

 

Without going into further detail I can assure you that this is incorrect. As an individual however you are not going to get any traction trying to have this enabled on a standalone connection. This scenario is not supported.

 

There are LOTS of reasons why these devices can be very dangerous in the wild, so locking them down as much as possible is essential to ensure they're a fully end to end managed device.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #1636358 20-Sep-2016 09:20
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ElectronicFerret:

 

TimA:

 

Possible - Yes 

 

 I had it done a few times for customers, Required a static IP and whitelisting that IP in the firewall on the VF end, Plug in and play. Cant remember much more technical details apart from that and it worked.

 

 

I've just had word back from the "Vodafone Complex team" that it (Sure Signal on non Vodafone connections) is not supported..... AND if they find anyone actively working to get around this requirement, they will disconnect them without warning.

 

Apparently any ISP (other than Vodafone) advertising or supporting Sure Signal on their network is doing it without Vodafone's approval and against their terms of service.

 

Hopefully Telecom or 2Degrees come up with an alternative as Vodafone are shooting themselves in the foot.

 

Strangely, this kind of attitude is why our customers are breaking the law using unapproved signal boosters from China and potentially flooding Vodafone's spectrum and it's harmonics with noise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SureSignal devices are effectively 3G basestations transmitting in the 2100 Mhz band.

 

Although VF owns the rights to transmit in that band, they must still "know" where those devices are to meet the requirements of their spectrum licence.

 

Any sensible operator would do anything in their power to maintain a good relationship with the agency that supplies their spectrum. :)

 

 

 

 


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  #1636359 20-Sep-2016 09:24
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I use a Suresignal on my VF internet connection for my VF mobile. Without it I have next to no cellphone reception.

 

What I would like is that my husbands Spark mobile could use it too. His reception is almost as bad as mine.

 

And no he cant swap to a VF mobile as its a work phone.

 

Would that be so bad VF?





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  #1636360 20-Sep-2016 09:24
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sbiddle:

 

 

 

Without going into further detail I can assure you that this is incorrect.  

 

 

Are you speaking from a position of Authority?  I have been advised by Vodafone that under no uncertain circumstances they are not interested in opening this up, either on a case by case basis (fixed wireless customers with static IPs and free national traffic) through to us routing multiple (I envisage 20-30 units intially) via a single static IP.

 

A couple of ISPs of similar size to me have got a single Vodafone DSL connection and just NAT all the Sure Signal traffic over that.  Vodafone have never contacted them about it and one of these ISPs estimates their network has about 40 Sure Signals on it, so I'll probably do the same and just not make any guarantees to our customers.

 

 


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  #1636387 20-Sep-2016 10:07
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VF SS is open to any ISP willing to take on the support aspects of it. Ray Taylor on here has a few on his network however is displeased at the 1 week+ it can take to get one of his IP's whitelisted. We've been approached in the past to offer it but currently don't because we're expected to do L1 support on it





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  #1636402 20-Sep-2016 10:20
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kiwifidget:

 

I use a Suresignal on my VF internet connection for my VF mobile. Without it I have next to no cellphone reception.

 

What I would like is that my husbands Spark mobile could use it too. His reception is almost as bad as mine.

 

And no he cant swap to a VF mobile as its a work phone.

 

Would that be so bad VF?

 

 

It's quite simply impossible for that to occur. The Sure Signal connects back into Vodafone's core network, not Spark's.

 

 

 

 


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  #1636403 20-Sep-2016 10:22
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ElectronicFerret:

 

sbiddle:

 

 

 

Without going into further detail I can assure you that this is incorrect.  

 

 

Are you speaking from a position of Authority?   

 

 

I don't work for Vodafone.

 

 

 

 


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kiwifidget:

 

I use a Suresignal on my VF internet connection for my VF mobile. Without it I have next to no cellphone reception.

 

What I would like is that my husbands Spark mobile could use it too. His reception is almost as bad as mine.

 

And no he cant swap to a VF mobile as its a work phone.

 

Would that be so bad VF?

 

 

The Sure Signal creates a Vodafone "tower", which a Spark phone will ignore. There would need to be some sort of roaming agreement between Spark and Vodafone for this to work, and I don't see that happening any time soon (or at all!).


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  #1636407 20-Sep-2016 10:27
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ElectronicFerret:

 

Strangely, this kind of attitude is why our customers are breaking the law using unapproved signal boosters from China and potentially flooding Vodafone's spectrum and it's harmonics with noise.

 

 

 

If you use illegal devices you do stand a fairly good chance of being caught. RSM will (and have prosecuted) for use of cellular repeaters. It's not particularly hard to track down illegal devices if they're putting noise back into the network.

 

 

 

 


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  #1636444 20-Sep-2016 10:53
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sbiddle:

 

 

 

If you use illegal devices you do stand a fairly good chance of being caught. RSM will (and have prosecuted) for use of cellular repeaters. It's not particularly hard to track down illegal devices if they're putting noise back into the network.

 

 

I Agree. We're a wireless ISP ourselves and as such understand the importance of clean, well managed, low noise spectrum.  I'm simply saying that while I don't endorse it, I can understand someones thought process that would lead to them importing a booster, and although ignorance is not an excuse, many people probably don't realize they are breaking the law.


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ElectronicFerret:

 

sbiddle:

 

 

 

If you use illegal devices you do stand a fairly good chance of being caught. RSM will (and have prosecuted) for use of cellular repeaters. It's not particularly hard to track down illegal devices if they're putting noise back into the network.

 

 

I Agree. We're a wireless ISP ourselves and as such understand the importance of clean, well managed, low noise spectrum.  I'm simply saying that while I don't endorse it, I can understand someones thought process that would lead to them importing a booster, and although ignorance is not an excuse, many people probably don't realize they are breaking the law.

 

 

 

 

Does not help that there are 'local' suppliers of the 'boosters' who claim its 100% legal on their sites.

 

Arguing that it is utter bullsh!t to someone who wants to trust the sites they have read is like talking to a brick wall!

 

 

 

 

 

as for suresignal, as others have said. Is possible, you need to go through the right people at vodafone. They do make this task particularly hard...





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nzbsgfan
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  #1636573 20-Sep-2016 15:02
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hio77:

ElectronicFerret:


sbiddle:


 


If you use illegal devices you do stand a fairly good chance of being caught. RSM will (and have prosecuted) for use of cellular repeaters. It's not particularly hard to track down illegal devices if they're putting noise back into the network.



I Agree. We're a wireless ISP ourselves and as such understand the importance of clean, well managed, low noise spectrum.  I'm simply saying that while I don't endorse it, I can understand someones thought process that would lead to them importing a booster, and although ignorance is not an excuse, many people probably don't realize they are breaking the law.



 


Does not help that there are 'local' suppliers of the 'boosters' who claim its 100% legal on their sites.


Arguing that it is utter bullsh!t to someone who wants to trust the sites they have read is like talking to a brick wall!


 


 


as for suresignal, as others have said. Is possible, you need to go through the right people at vodafone. They do make this task particularly hard...



Where the law is involved - it's never easy :)

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