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cokeman2

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  #113646 28-Feb-2008 21:20
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yes true we dont know the full story ...and i have emailed the manager of why they have , as the help line keep saying they havent ,they give a good enough resson of why they blocked it i be happy .....regardlless of its file sharing format ,if they block that mayb later on they start on torrents or sumthing else ...the point is they shouldnt have blocked it etc  ...i suppose we will find out soon enough thou




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  #113656 28-Feb-2008 22:11
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As at 2150hrs, 28/02/2008.

Perhaps it would be more helpful if the full pings/tracert's were posted so we all know what domains are being talked at.  For instance if I use name resolution against the ip address 210.48.72.60 I find oneeyed.co.nz (somewhere in Canterbury..?) but I can't ping it.

C:\Users\Steve>tracert -h 30 210.48.72.60

Tracing route to oneeyed.co.nz [210.48.72.60]over a maximum of 30 hops:
 
1    <1 ms     1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ip-58-28-15-31.wxnz.net [58.28.15.31]
  3    38 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ip-58-28-13-83.wxnz.net [58.28.13.83]
  4    39 ms    39 ms    38 ms  ge-0-0-0-akl-core2.wxnz.net [58.28.8.9]
  5    38 ms    39 ms    38 ms  ip-58-28-18-10.wxnz.net [58.28.18.10]
  6    40 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ge-0-2-0.sky01-jcore.iconz.net [210.48.5.69]
  7    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ge-0-3-0.air01-jcore.iconz.net [210.48.5.2]
  8    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ge-1-1.cat01-air01.iconz.net [210.48.5.102]
  9    39 ms    39 ms    38 ms  oneeyed.co.nz [210.48.72.60] Trace complete.

 

C:\Users\Steve>ping -a 210.48.72.60

Pinging oneeyed.co.nz [210.48.72.60] with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 210.48.72.60:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss)

I get exactly the same ping result (and a matching ip address) for www.silverserver.co.nz.  I have an xNet Fusion connection and this address is not available to me via my web browser.

However, running a tracert and ping on silverserver.co.nz (no "www") yields a very different ip address, no name and a very interesting route.

C:\Users\Steve>tracert -h 30 85.17.141.51


Tracing route to hosted-by.leaseweb.com [85.17.141.51]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    38 ms    38 ms    38 ms  ip-58-28-15-31.wxnz.net [58.28.15.31]
  3    38 ms    38 ms    39 ms  ip-58-28-13-83.wxnz.net [58.28.13.83]
  4    38 ms    39 ms    38 ms  ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net [58.28.8.8]
  5    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  Gi9-1.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net [203.192.166.105]
  6   163 ms   164 ms   162 ms  ip-202-147-55-206.asianetcom.net [202.147.55.206]
  7   163 ms   162 ms   162 ms  po1-0.gw2.sjc1.asianetcom.net [202.147.50.166]
  8   163 ms   163 ms   162 ms  ge-6-2-1.mpr1.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.101]
  9   165 ms   172 ms   164 ms  so-1-0-0.mpr2.sjc2.us.above.net [64.125.30.178]
 10   258 ms   236 ms   238 ms  so-1-0-0.mpr1.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.142]
 11   248 ms   237 ms   236 ms  so-0-0-0.mpr1.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.27.237]
 12   334 ms   333 ms   342 ms  so-1-0-0.mpr1.ams1.nl.above.net [64.125.27.186]
 13   351 ms   350 ms   350 ms  k331.leaseweb.ams1.nl.above.net [82.98.254.66]
 14   351 ms   350 ms   350 ms  hosted-by.leaseweb.com [85.17.141.51]
 

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Steve>ping -a silverserver.co.nz Pinging silverserver.co.nz [85.17.141.51] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 85.17.141.51: bytes=32 time=348ms TTL=56
Reply from 85.17.141.51: bytes=32 time=350ms TTL=56
Reply from 85.17.141.51: bytes=32 time=348ms TTL=56
Reply from 85.17.141.51: bytes=32 time=348ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 85.17.141.51:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 348ms, Maximum = 350ms, Average = 348ms



On the surface, the route makes it look kind of dodgy but I tried it anyway.  the website simply read...

Nothing here sorry pal :P

So, now that I think I've cleared up my confusion and decided you are wanting to get to the "www" site - no, it's still not accessible via xNet...


 
 
 
 


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  #113661 28-Feb-2008 22:27
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yes only the www.sliverserver.co.nz is blocked            as sliverserver.co.nz is a defernt  site




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  #113662 28-Feb-2008 22:33
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cokeman2: yes only the www.sliverserver.co.nz is blocked            as sliverserver.co.nz is a defernt  site


Your spelling and grammar is awful, I'm seriously considering whacking you with my keyboard.

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  #113664 28-Feb-2008 22:36
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lol yups SORRY for the spelling, grammar ....is a cow cocky so what u expect  lol ....   i am still trying to find the spell checker  on here lol




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#113665 28-Feb-2008 22:37
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Perhaps everyone affected should affected should log a case with WorldxChange customer services. Given that the www and nonhost records point to different locations, it could be a routing issue rather a blocking policy.

As for Brads keyboard whacking... remember, you have to sell that keyboard. It might be hard if there is blood and brain matter on the keys!




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  #113675 28-Feb-2008 23:09
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freitasm:
They are not blocking ideas and words, but a file sharing service.

Neither you or I are privy of th reasons why the ISP blocked it. Perhaps they were asked to do it or received an order?

We don't know the whole story so you and I shouldn't provide judgement at this stage.


Since when do web services host file sharing services? I thought they carried stories, ideas, ugly photos of girlfriends and stupid wacked out conspiracy theorys, not file sharing systems. From what the owner says, they do run DC+ on the server as well, which is by default on port 1412, not port 80.

I didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest of comments heh, but it seems pretty clear that they are dropping connections to this server at the outer edges of their network, to ALL ports, not just the file sharing ports. Perhaps their firewall doesn't support 
port blocking, not in the budget, middle management interference and all that totally understandable, I had a dick smiths router like that once. Bad purchase. :-)

Perhaps it's just me, but I like to have unfiltered access to the net. I'm sure it's all very innocent, someone put a bad route in all their routers, and the helpdesk is too busy to fix it.




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  #113676 28-Feb-2008 23:20
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exportgoldman:
freitasm:
They are not blocking ideas and words, but a file sharing service.

Neither you or I are privy of th reasons why the ISP blocked it. Perhaps they were asked to do it or received an order?

We don't know the whole story so you and I shouldn't provide judgement at this stage.


Since when do web services host file sharing services? I thought they carried stories, ideas, ugly photos of girlfriends and stupid wacked out conspiracy?theorys,?not?file?sharing?systems.?From what the owner says, they do run DC+ on the server as well, which is by default on port 1412, not port 80.

I didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest of comments heh, but it seems pretty clear that they are dropping connections to this server at the outer edges of their network, to ALL ports, not just the file sharing ports.?Perhaps?their?firewall?doesn't?support?
port?blocking,?not?in?the?budget,?middle?management?interference?and?all?that?totally?understandable, I had a dick smiths router like that once. Bad purchase. :-)

Perhaps it's just me, but I like to have unfiltered access to the net. I'm sure it's all very innocent, someone put a bad route in all their routers, and the helpdesk is too busy to fix it.


Yes, it's clear something is blocked. But I am going to repeat my post you quoted before:

Neither you or I are privy of th reasons why the ISP blocked it. Perhaps they were asked to do it or received an order?

We don't know the whole story so you and I shouldn't provide judgement at this stage.




 

 

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  #113677 28-Feb-2008 23:25
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ok, I know I said lots of nice things about XNet in my first post, but ISP censorship for any reason totally rubs me up the wrong way...  If XNet turn out to be actively blocking this site for any reason other than kiddie porn, etc, then I am sorry I posted in this forum.

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freitasm:

Yes, it's clear something is blocked. But I am going to repeat my post you quoted before:


Neither you or I are privy of th reasons why the ISP blocked it. Perhaps they were asked to do it or received an order?



We don't know the whole story so you and I shouldn't provide judgement at this stage.


Your right, XNET are usually pretty good, honest and upfront. 

I've just been wondering how long it will be until we get the problems other ISP's and customers are facing worldwide with ISP's blocking traffic, web sites, ISP's getting rating classifications, Pakistan blocking YouTube for 'blasphemous' content, 
China filtering the whole internet with the great firewall. 

It seems we are getting less open, less free, not more. 

Now, apologies for dragging this off topic. No more from me, I'll go hide in my hole :)






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exportgoldman: I've just been wondering how long it will be until we get the problems other ISP's and customers are facing worldwide with ISP's blocking traffic, web sites, ISP's getting rating classifications, Pakistan blocking YouTube for 'blasphemous' content, 


I don't like censorship either. It's just that I want to hear all sides first.

I've got hold of a story that annoyed me this week. I am investigating more and will post later. It's not XNET though...




 

 

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  #113698 29-Feb-2008 08:42
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If this is because unlimited national customers on their old plans are using a lot of bandwidth with the p2p DC hub then they should make these people move to new plans and not block the site for everyone.  

note: I am not in any way supporting copyright infringement when i say this.

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Admitidly, DC is known as a file sharing service. People in my hub are not there for that purpose though. As I said before, it is a small community for remembering the old days when it was popular. It is open to anyone with an NZ IP, not a private "community" as some people have messaged me about. In no way is file sharing promoted or encouraged there.
I was told that xnet didn't contact me about it as my registrant contact information was incorrect. This isn't strictly true, the technical contact email address was valid.

I personally can't think of a reason why xnet would block access to it when the service is not on their network. Surely a complaint should have landed on my service provider instead. If it came down to it, with a bit of source code modification, I'm sure I could restrict the sharing functions. My concern is really with their ability to choose for their customers what they can and can't get access to. Also, in my opinion, they should have had at least had some records so that their helpdesk can tell their customers why they can't access that particular IP. It seems to me as if they'd like to cover it up.

Again, about the different IPs. Because xnet customers couldn't access the NZ server, I moved the domain and a lot of the subdomains to an offshore server. The IP in question is 210.48.72.60 which is pointed at by www.silverserver.co.nz if you feel the need to use a subdomain rather than the IP. silverserver.co.nz will point to an internationally hosted server.

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Looks like the press have already picked this up

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10495115

So is XNET the only one blocking this site?




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To my knowledge .. yes they are the only ones. I run a number of other things on this server and the only ones that have complained about it are xnet users.

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