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  #119805 31-Mar-2008 08:31
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far out!! $229 thats ridiculous! people could end up with 400 bills with phone and tv added on top

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  #119808 31-Mar-2008 08:40
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I think it's way too expensive as well.

Compare it to Orcon+ which is $79.95 for 24Mbps ADSL2+ incl 25GB and then $1 per GB on top.

This product is reastically only worth somewhere in the $170 - $199 mark, it's certainly not worth over $200..

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#119814 31-Mar-2008 08:53
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I was looking forward to having this service here. But at $229 I believe they won't have problems with "overloading". I can't see many people taking the service.




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  #119816 31-Mar-2008 09:16
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jpollock: 229? That's an insane price.  I guess they're looking to make some money while Telecom can't match the speed.

Hrm.  If I cancelled cable TV, I'd be paying the same total price per month...

On the other hand, I rarely get 10mbps now, so I wouldn't expect to get 25, which means there isn't much point to the new package.


agreed, way too expensive!  plus, you're still only as fast as the server at the other end so unless you're doing EVERYTHING on the telstra network, or within NZ, your speed isn't going to be much better than it is now. 

that said, i wouldn't compain if my 10Mbps plan was bumped up to 25Mbps for free if i stick to the 40GB plan...like the 4Mbps plan was bumped up to 10Mbps when it was rolled out.

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  #119825 31-Mar-2008 09:52
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Surely there'll be cheaper 25Mbps variations with lower caps?  120 GB is a lot of data...

I'd be guessing that as they start rolling out 25Mbps, those on 10Mbps will get better speeds because they'll have to improve the overall network to get those on the 25Mbps plan(s) up to speed.  Problem would be if too many people take up the 25Mbps plan - but I don't think that'll happen at those prices.




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  #119828 31-Mar-2008 09:59
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sbiddle: I think it's way too expensive as well.

Compare it to Orcon+ which is $79.95 for 24Mbps ADSL2+ incl 25GB and then $1 per GB on top.

This product is reastically only worth somewhere in the $170 - $199 mark, it's certainly not worth over $200..


$80 + $95 for 95GB more usage to make it up to the 120GB TCL limit is $175.  Plus, guess who will actually get higher speeds - the ADSL2+ user or the cable user?  But even so, they've probably over-priced by $30 or so, especially with the very high 120GB cap.  I'd say this would only be of any use in a flat with 3 or more serious internet users using their own computers.  Can't be that big a market for it, I'd have thought.



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  #119829 31-Mar-2008 10:02
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TelstraClear hits Warpspeed - and leaves competitors in its dust

TelstraClear hits Warpspeed on Wednesday, launching the fastest residential broadband speeds in New Zealand. 
The new Warpspeed plan offers up to 25Mbps downstream and is now available to InHome customers in Christchurch.

The Warpspeed 120G plan offers up to 25Mbps downstream and up to 2 Mbps upstream, with a massive 120G traffic for $229.95 per month.

TelstraClear Head of Consumer Markets Steve Jackson says the new premium plan reflects the needs of high-end broadband users.

“Warpspeed is by far the fastest broadband plan available to residential customers in the country - nothing even comes close.”

“With speeds of up to 25Mbps and a huge 120G of traffic, this is a premium plan for serious broadband users such as online gamers and television and music downloaders.”

“Warpspeed is a huge leap up from existing broadband plans offered by any competitor. When we say up to 25Mbps we mean it. This is being delivered over TelstraClear’s purpose built cable network, not over old copper lines.”

Before Warpspeed, TelstraClear’s premium plan was LightSpeed 80G, which offers up to 10Mbps downstream and 80G traffic.
“We’ve listened to the market and are now delivering. Warpspeed is a real benefit for serious broadband users,” Mr Jackson says.

Warpspeed will be available as a staggered release to a limited number of customers to ensure optimal performance for customers on this premium plan.

Warpspeed 120G is available now to TelstraClear InHome customers in Christchurch, with Wellington and Kapiti customers from mid year. 


Murray Judd
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  #119842 31-Mar-2008 11:07
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"Warpspeed is a huge leap up from existing broadband plans offered by any competitor. When we say up to 25Mbps we mean it. This is being delivered over TelstraClear’s purpose built cable network, not over old copper lines.”


So what type of contention ratio does TCL intend, with each DOCSIS 2.0 carrier only supporting 50Mb/s or have they invested in DOCSIS 3.0 with bonding (200 or 400Mb/s), or just increasing the number of carriers under 2.0 to serve this service?

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  #119848 31-Mar-2008 11:34
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The current surfboard modems are DOCSIS 1.1/2.0 only, are they not?


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  #119850 31-Mar-2008 11:54
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The current surfboard modems are DOCSIS 1.1/2.0 only, are they not?


Quite my point, so are TCL rolling out 3.0 new modems for this service, or will these fast plans be stuck with all the other users on the same node and suffer poor contention during peak hour, or are they adding more DOCSIS 2.0 carriers to each node to provide for this service, in which case it still wont take these users long to find a 50Mb/s pipe loads up pretty fast when a few other locals take up the 25Mb/s service.

Which brings me back to the quote

“Warpspeed is a huge leap up from existing broadband plans offered by any competitor. When we say up to 25Mbps we mean it. This is being delivered over TelstraClear’s purpose built cable network, not over old copper lines.”


With a cabnetised ADSL2+ service at least each home has a dedicated pipe to the infrastructure that can support 10-24Mb/s. Any limitation is backhaul which within reason can be readily upgraded as demand increases. From memory the ISAMs can support upto 7Gb/s of downstream to a full cluster of around 1900 lines (10 ISAM frames) meaning potentally around 5Mb/s if everyone is running full chat, in reality that level of loading would reached, but still in a 1:4 contention you could still realistically market a 20Mb/s service.

However a DOCSIS network has a limit within the local distribution regardless of backhaul limitations. Unless TCL dump the analog carriers to add more DOCSIS ones I doubt they have the capacity to expand to the same level as a DSL based solution.

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  #119852 31-Mar-2008 11:57
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gehenna:
[...] you're still only as fast as the server at the other end so unless you're doing EVERYTHING on the telstra network, or within NZ, your speed isn't going to be much better than it is now. 


Using KAREN @ University shows that to be *very* true; However, peering etc comes into the equation, too. I don't think that TelstraClear are aiming this plan at casual web surfers, however.

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  #119856 31-Mar-2008 12:04
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munchkin:
gehenna:
[...] you're still only as fast as the server at the other end so unless you're doing EVERYTHING on the telstra network, or within NZ, your speed isn't going to be much better than it is now. 


Using KAREN @ University shows that to be *very* true; However, peering etc comes into the equation, too. I don't think that TelstraClear are aiming this plan at casual web surfers, however.


The funny thing is that even inside NZ with TCL you can be stuffed up because of peering.  For example, try connecting to anything on the Citylink network and it has to go via the US!


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  #119858 31-Mar-2008 12:08
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TelstraClear:  this is a premium plan for serious broadband users such as online gamers and television and music downloaders.


I find this interesting....is TelstraClear endorsing the downloading television shows from channel bittorrent?  Or is there some other source in NZ besides TVNZ on Demand that I'm missing out on??  This statement just doesn't sound kosher to me.  Let's say someone on this plan is using equal parts of downloading TV, downloading music, and online gaming....40Gb of purchased music would cost a phenomenal amount of money - unless we're talking about music coming from non-commercial sources, and a months worth of solid gaming wouldn't come near 40Gb would it?

Don't get me wrong, I'm keen to get some extra bandwidth to download the back catalogue of Revision3 etc, but where is the rest of this 120Gb going....you can be fairly sure wherever it goes the majority of it will be bittorrent.  So, are you turning a blind-eye TelstraClear? 

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  #119859 31-Mar-2008 12:13
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$230 for 120GB and 25Mbps/2Mbps a month is a crazy price, adds up to $2,750 a year, if you include phone and TV and your looking at almost $325 a month (inc movies and sports) thats $3,900 a year or 11% of the NZ average income; the media is full of "Mortgage Stress" stories what about "Broadband Stress"?  For that amount they should remove the data cap and offer unlimited.

I moved to NZ from the UK 18 months ago, Wellington is home, the only real downside I've found to living in NZ is the cost of telecoms Money mouth(cost of living generally is higher but much better Smile).  Admittedly LLU happened some years ago with BT doing the three way split that Telecom are about to do but still the cost of bradband services is just ridiculous, overpriced, restrictive and not overly reliable.  Before I left I had a contract with Be, and since then their price has come down, below is what they are offering today as their top priced consumer package:

24 Mbps down / 2.5 Mbps up 
Unlimited usage

1 Static IP free, up to 16 available

£24 connection fee = NZ$60 monthly

£22 monthly (incl. VAT) = NZ$55 monthly (inc. GST)

Is it any wonder that NZ is rated so low in the OECD ratings for broadband uptake when NZ providers charge so much for so little (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00159.htm)

I hope that LLU has the same effect here in NZ as it did in the UK where you now have supermarkets reselling broadband services at low cost - imagine New World Broadband or Pack 'n Save Home DSL Laughing


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  #119861 31-Mar-2008 12:17
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There are many free music bit torrent trackers (ones that don't allow you to download copy protected stuff).

Same with TV Episode sites, they cost, but they are there, some are as low as $1/ep. TVNZ on demand is pretty good too, there is alot of free stuff on there.


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