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# 130285 12-May-2008 16:43
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mushion22: Hmmmm I wonder how long until the 'Echelons'  hunt that guy down. Hopefully he/she wasn't silly enough to post that from work!



Agreed. Generally it is fine to disagree with your employer, we all will do it at some point, but in a public forum, or when talking to customers and the public, it is best, especially if you identify yourself as an employee of the company in question, to either say nothing, or stick to the official line. Unless you are so entirely discontent with your employer and wish to get your marching orders that is?








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  # 130291 12-May-2008 17:01
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old3eyes: I see in today's DomPost page C6 Infotech that Telecom is not going to lock it's new 3G handsets like Vodafone. Will be interesting to se what VF will do now. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4523351a28.html



Let's not forget that Telecom already locks its handsets and has done for many years.


That is not correct. Telecom will NOT be locking their new phones for their new network, as per this acticle.

http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/griffins-tech-blog/2008/5/12/telecom-wont-lock-handsets-sci-fi-channel-update/?c_id=1501198

 
 
 
 


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  # 130296 12-May-2008 17:12
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nzbnw:

mushion22: Hmmmm I wonder how long until the 'Echelons'  hunt that guy down. Hopefully he/she wasn't silly enough to post that from work!



Agreed. Generally it is fine to disagree with your employer, we all will do it at some point, but in a public forum, or when talking to customers and the public, it is best, especially if you identify yourself as an employee of the company in question, to either say nothing, or stick to the official line. Unless you are so entirely discontent with your employer and wish to get your marching orders that is?



True.

Would be a shame for Vodafone though, the poster showed more knowledge than nearly anyone else who works for Vodafone that I've ever spoken too....

EDIT: Just to be crystal - that last comment doesn't extend to anyone from Vodafone who posts here - just your average store worker/customer services call centre person...




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  # 130301 12-May-2008 17:26
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robbypreb:
PaulBrislen:
old3eyes: I see in today's DomPost page C6 Infotech that Telecom is not going to lock it's new 3G handsets like Vodafone. Will be interesting to se what VF will do now. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4523351a28.html



Let's not forget that Telecom already locks its handsets and has done for many years.


That is not correct. Telecom will NOT be locking their new phones for their new network, as per this acticle.

http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/griffins-tech-blog/2008/5/12/telecom-wont-lock-handsets-sci-fi-channel-update/?c_id=1501198


We're not talking about their new GSM handsets but the fact they're been locking their existing GSM handsets since they launched them around 2 years ago. They have been very protective of their SIM locking, as proven by their actions when the unlock codes for the W531 made it into the public domain.

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  # 130306 12-May-2008 17:44
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sbiddle:
robbypreb:
PaulBrislen:
old3eyes: I see in today's DomPost page C6 Infotech that Telecom is not going to lock it's new 3G handsets like Vodafone. Will be interesting to se what VF will do now. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4523351a28.html



Let's not forget that Telecom already locks its handsets and has done for many years.


That is not correct. Telecom will NOT be locking their new phones for their new network, as per this acticle.

http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/griffins-tech-blog/2008/5/12/telecom-wont-lock-handsets-sci-fi-channel-update/?c_id=1501198


We're not talking about their new GSM handsets but the fact they're been locking their existing GSM handsets since they launched them around 2 years ago. They have been very protective of their SIM locking, as proven by their actions when the unlock codes for the W531 made it into the public domain.


Their world mode phones, which they only have very limited models anyway, perhaps were locked, I don't know, but that is how they possibily sourced them from their provider. Perhaps they also didn't want their customers using them on different networks around the world, otherwise they would miss out on their roaming fees.
Anyway we are taking about the future, not the past, and telecom have now commited to not locking their new phones, so perhaps that is a backdown on their previous policies, and is due to increased competition. This is great for the consumer. Hopefully the commerce commission acts on the compliants they have received about vf, as locking phones to a particular network,  in a small market like NZ , which already has some of the highest mobile calling prices, will stifle competition.

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  # 130312 12-May-2008 18:02
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freitasm:
ninjabear: This was a quote on stuff.co.nz


This was actually posted here on this same discussion almost two weeks ago... Stuff is late.


Yes and i made a reply after Paul made an announcement of what he sai.Yea.. but im just saying stuff.co.nz

Hmm looks like they are sticking to the same reason of why they are locking their handset

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  # 130318 12-May-2008 18:39
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PaulBrislen: you work for Vodafone?

Try getting the terminology right, eh?

Cheers

Paul

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Not to say some of the stuff he posted brings up some interesting points and truth to it.

What was the incorrect terminology he used?

 
 
 
 


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  # 130325 12-May-2008 18:50
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Alot of people say they work for vodafone but when you dig deeper its first mobile digital mobile.

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  # 130364 12-May-2008 20:51
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mikal:
PaulBrislen: you work for Vodafone?

Try getting the terminology right, eh?

Cheers

Paul

(Best laugh I've had all day)


Not to say some of the stuff he posted brings up some interesting points and truth to it.

What was the incorrect terminology he used?



Didn't you know that politican type people don't actually answer questions, they just communicate spin.
Yes they are interesting points. What I really want to know is why our mobile costs are still so high, and some plans haven't reduced in price for 10 years.

Why does it cost me $1.39 per minute to phone a telecom mobile from a vodafone phone, on a regular prepaid phone.

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  # 130390 12-May-2008 21:27
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old3eyes:
PaulBrislen: you work for Vodafone?

Try getting the terminology right, eh?

Cheers

Paul

(Best laugh I've had all day)


If he  / she works in sales  they most likley know little about tech  terminology..


I work for a Sales office and can say that EVERYONE in the office knows all the terminology. How are you meant to sell it if you don't? Would you trust a car salesman who tried to get into the car via the boot.

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# 130399 12-May-2008 21:41
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Come on guys, this is about locking handsets.

Lets keep it to that, if you want to know what it costs x to call x, then create a thread for it.

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  # 130401 12-May-2008 21:50
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Good point, my bad.

I'd be interested to see if Telecom say they will never lock their handsets or whether it will be "not at the moment" type thing. Reading the Herald blog would be hard to lock a device that will only work in the 3 main centres in November. And on that, what are the 3 main centres. Obviously Auckland and I assume Wellington. Whats the third? Hamilton, ChCh ??

Slightly off topic, but do wonder what 'Joe Public' would like more. Telecom not locking handsets but, due to its purchasing power (or lack thereof) selling unlocked handsets for a higher price ... against the size of Vodafones purchasing arm worldwide meaning a discounted , but locked, handset? Perhaps it will come down to an "On Account" battle where its a fight to get as many people signed onto terms as possible for both major players ... with NZ Comms picking off lots of prepay customers ??

Not sure myself, just playing Devils Advocate.

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  # 130404 12-May-2008 22:00
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brentbart: Good point, my bad.

Reading the Herald blog would be hard to lock a device that will only work in the 3 main centres in November. And on that, what are the 3 main centres. Obviously Auckland and I assume Wellington. Whats the third? Hamilton, ChCh ??



Not quite correct. GSM / EDGE will AFAIK be nationwide (97%), it is only WCDMA / HSPA that will be restricted to Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.

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  # 130409 12-May-2008 22:12
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brentbart:

I work for a Sales office and can say that EVERYONE in the office knows all the terminology. How are you meant to sell it if you don't? Would you trust a car salesman who tried to get into the car via the boot.


What sales office is this? I'd love to be able to send people your way if that is true. I have yet to find anyone who really knows much of anything in a mobile sales store... Sadly they can still sell plenty, because most people are not as well informed as me about mobile technology.




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  # 130411 12-May-2008 22:22
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What sales office is this? I'd love to be able to send people your way if that is true. I have yet to find anyone who really knows much of anything in a mobile sales store... Sadly they can still sell plenty, because most people are not as well informed as me about mobile technology.


Vodafone isn't just in Auckland. There are corporate Sales office in Hamilton, Wellington, ChCh and I understand there is even one (probably lonely & cold) gentleman in Dunedin ... so not store people like your Digital Mobile/First Mobile stores who deal with small companies & all the wonderful consumers. We go after the larger companies and Govt departments for instance who, to get on topic, I've yet to hear mention the locking of handsets. I'd imagine at the end of their contract period if they wanted to port 1000 users then its a considerable amount of money if the devices are locked. Good incentive to stay but possibly a bad incentive to sign. So we live in interesting times.

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