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  # 133911 28-May-2008 17:04
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From http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/05/supreme-court-o.html

"In response to similar lawsuits, Verizon and Sprint, both CDMA carriers, have agreed to provide the software code to unlock cellphones after customers nationwide have completed their original contract, attorneys said. "That was the compromise we ended up with to get the cases settled," said California attorney Robert Bramson, one of the lawyers suing carriers T-Mobile and AT&T.


T-Mobile and AT&T fought the lawsuit all the way to the nation's high court. The two carriers, on the GSM network, are accused of unfair business practices by locking down their phones to their service plans. Last year, Librarian of Congress James H. Billington listed cell phone unlocking as one of six new exemptions to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or DMCA."

So locking handsets seems to be something consumers are strongly against, especially since unlocking them isn't illegal (in the US) - http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2006/11/unlocking_cellp.html.


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  # 133919 28-May-2008 17:54
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well its official now, after pressure from the commerce commission, Vodafone NZ will not be locking phones they sell to their network.




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  # 133942 28-May-2008 19:40
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Damager: well its official now, after pressure from the commerce commission, Vodafone NZ will not be locking phones they sell to their network.


Correct, read up a page to NZ time: 28-MAY-2008 10:05 and you will see freitasm posted that this morning

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  # 133962 28-May-2008 20:07
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blaXoid: Laughing

Hilarious, from the comments at the start of this thread by Paul to the reply above... He's very good at what he doesCool


Yep, kept his cool and everything.




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  # 133969 28-May-2008 20:40
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Since businesses tend to cop a lot of flack for doing something wrong and little praise for doing something right, props to vodafone for going back on the decision and setting the standard.
Now if telecom/NZcomms do it they can get an earfull.

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  # 133972 28-May-2008 20:48
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I heard rumblings of this last week around the water cooler (actually in this case it was actually around the water cooler).
 
My personal opinion is that its the smart thing to do. My semi-biased opinion is that I'd have liked to keep it in place so that telecom would have to doll out $50 to every person who changed to them and that would have cost them a fortune Tongue out<joking, joking - don't kill me>

Does show the power of the consumer so perhaps a "free iPhone for all Geekzoners" thread needs starting ... haha

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  # 133994 28-May-2008 22:19
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eXDee: Since businesses tend to cop a lot of flack for doing something wrong and little praise for doing something right, props to vodafone for going back on the decision and setting the standard.
Now if telecom/NZcomms do it they can get an earfull.


Telecom had set the standard already, soon after Vodafone announced that they were going to lock handsets, Telecom came out and said that they wouldn't.





 
 
 
 


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  # 133998 28-May-2008 22:32
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jpollock:Telecom had set the standard already, soon after Vodafone announced that they were going to lock handsets, Telecom came out and said that they wouldn't.


Nice of Telecom to say that it wouldn't lock its Telecom GSM handsets, I am sure I heard that Vodafone promised at the time that they wouldn't lock their Vodafone CDMA handsets either Wink

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# 134002 28-May-2008 22:39
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I haven't posted in this thread up until now, but I have followed it with great interest.  Now that everything's done and dusted I'd like to say a few things to a few different groups:

1. A big thumbs-up to the moderators for not locking this thread, even when it probably should have been.
2. An even bigger thumbs-up to all the geeks who made so much noise, and have undoubtedly played a large part in the final result.
3. Hat off to PaulB for remaining cool under fire, and having the nads to keep posting here.  As Ali G would say "Respect".

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  # 134014 28-May-2008 23:24
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Phew! Good to see they have gone back on this.

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  # 134022 29-May-2008 00:35
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brentbart:
jpollock:Telecom had set the standard already, soon after Vodafone announced that they were going to lock handsets, Telecom came out and said that they wouldn't.


Nice of Telecom to say that it wouldn't lock its Telecom GSM handsets, I am sure I heard that Vodafone promised at the time that they wouldn't lock their Vodafone CDMA handsets either Wink


Sorry Brent, don't take this personally, but this comment just shows your lack of understanding for the CDMA standard.

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  # 134040 29-May-2008 07:21
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jpollock:
blaXoid: Laughing

Hilarious, from the comments at the start of this thread by Paul to the reply above... He's very good at what he doesCool


Yep, kept his cool and everything.



Let me say in support of Paul and Vodafone, that it is pretty hard sometimes there is a Company Policy and you support the Policy and at least Vodafone are willing to discuss the reasons why they made the decisions, obviously they have taken the feedback from here and othere sources and decided to change the policy, good on them and yes the consumers do have a voice Vodafone listened, so he now has to come on and now support the new company line which is a pretty hard thing to do but thats his job as it is mine we ourselves have done the some type of things, but comments like Hilarious aren't the greatest in building respect with a company, I would have thought the better lines would have been,

"Thanks Vodafone for listening to the suggestions and the feedback and it does appear your listening by you reversing the policy"


Just my 2 cents anyway and from own point of view I was pretty unhappy with the policy myself Wink




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  # 134042 29-May-2008 07:29
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nzbnw: Sorry Brent, don't take this personally, but this comment just shows your lack of understanding for the CDMA standard.


I read brentbarts comment to mean Telecom don't have any GSM handsets (other than the worldmode ones which are locked) to sell as unlocked, just like Vodafone don't have any CDMA ones to lock, so they can quite happily publicise that they won't be locking their CDMA handsets - as far as I can tell the comment was made to illustrate this point without considering the technical/practical details.

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# 134043 29-May-2008 07:30
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I agree with Maverick here.

If Vodafone hadn't changed the policy, some of us would be complaining that they didn't care about the customer backlash. Now that they have, some of us make fun of them for doing a U-turn. Why rub their nose in it, when we got what we wanted?

I also think Paul, who contributes here in an official capacity, and other Vodafone staff who share their knowledge, deserve a lot of credit for all the help they provide.

Paul is the messenger, that job isn't always an easy one. Of course he's going to articulate the current company line at any given time.




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# 134046 29-May-2008 07:42
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Paul, as Dratsab, Jonathan, and one or two others have already said, thanks for sticking around in this discussion.

U turns happen all the time in business, and Vodafone should be commended on their decision, as well as their openness on Geekzone.

Thanks!



I think in general, "us Geekzoners" can occaisionally be very 'fair weather friends', yet you are still here participating.

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